THE FRANK ALKIRE STORY......?

[djui5]

U too

[zentull]

Joe,

I thought about it long and hard. I don't remember a single trip where I was looking for the LDM or Jesuit treasures or anything similar to that thinking. Maybe I am the anomaly, but I personall don't think so. I have been with folks who looked for such things in the 70s and early 80s, but was along as an observer and knew more about what they were doing years later than actually at the time.

It just never interested me that much. The only gold panning I have done was at Rawhide and my pans are still unused by me. I watched folks drywash, but they can attest I just watched kind of disinterested.

I always see Dutchhunter as a real general term that is more about the history of the thing than actual hunting anymore. Do I see a ravine and think"Wow, this fits like a tee"? Sure, but thats about it. Take a picture, move on.

Fun and adventure is rewarding enough for me

[Joe Ribaudo]

Wayne,

"Fun and adventure is rewarding enough for me".

That's always been enough for me as well. On the other hand, I always thought Harry's cave of gold bars was a Jesuit treasure until I educated myself to the other side of the story.

I firmly believed that the LDM must have been found, long ago, so I never really wanted to actually look for it on my own. Had worked out a theory of where it might have been, but too many Dutch Hunters.....and others, had been walkeing that ground.

I agree that "Dutch Hunter" covers a lot of ground, and a number of non-LDM legends. Even though I don't go into the mountains anymore, I am still just as interested in those legends as I ever was.

Anyone know what's become of Peter?

Take care,

Joe

[Joe Ribaudo]

Received an e-mail from Roger tonight, and he got me to pick up my copy of Charles Frederick Higham's "book" again.

Higham states on page 39 that: "A great deal of the information contained in this book was secured in personal interviews with the following persons now living......". One of those sources was "Frank T. Alkire, one of the oldest living pioneers of Arizona".

Jacob "Walzer's" place of death and who was at his deathbed are in the book. I assume that information came through Frank Alkire. Basically, it seems to conform to what Garry, Larry, Paul and I have concluded through our own research.

My guess, at this time, is that Alkire's story changed with each passing year. The story that is now in Dr. Glover's, and Hellen Corbin's book, while probably coming from reliable sources, had deteriorated by time and the infirmities of old age/memory to the point of mostly fiction.
In other words, those who repeated the story likely believed it.

It is highly unlikely, IMHO, that Frank Alkire was anywhere near the events that surrounded the death of Jacob Waltz. On the other hand, it's altogether possible that he firmly believed every word of the story he passed along. The memories of that story came long after Frank had written his memoirs/manuscripts. The evidence is that it was a verbal story, rather than something that Frank ever wrote. It's also possible that he never told the story at all......in any manner.

Joe Ribaudo

[Loke]

Been a l-o-n-g time since I last visited this site - nice to see it's still going!
Anways - my daughter who lived outside of Phoenix since has moved - so I no longer have an excuse to visit the Supe's (alas!!)

I have one little question, though ... (I might have read it somewhere but have now forgotten). How come that Jacob had this box of gold under his bed? Was he not picked up 'sitting in a tree', brought to Julia's place and then lingered there until he died? How come the box of gold found its way there as well?

[djui5]

He sent Rhiney after it.

[Loke]

Ahh thanks!
It's (ever so slowly) coming back - yes, I remember reading that ...
Sorry about a stupid question.

Guess I've been out of circulation for too long.

[djui5]

No question is stupid We all gotta learn somehow right?

[Joe Ribaudo]

Received a copy of an affadavit from Garry Cundiff today. It came by way of Greg Davis, who copied it from the museum display on Brownie Holmes.

Here is an excerpt:

"Following heavy rains and floods in February, 1891, in which his adobe fell, Waltz made his home with Mrs. Julia Thomas, a colored woman, near the cornter of Jackson and 2nd Avenue in Pheonix. She was married to Emil Thomas, but later married Al Schaffer. Both Mrs. Thomas and Schaffer were religious mystics.

Waltz died in October, 1891, at Mrs. Thomas' home."

Brownie further states that the only people present when Waltz expired, were "Waltz, Dick Holmes, and Gideon Roberts."

It is signed and notarized on April 23, 1969

Just another piece of evidence as to where Waltz died. Something many of were already convinced of.

Joe Ribaudo

[goldieminer]

Wallabie isn't dead surely?



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[Joe Ribaudo]

Wayne,

Know you are into this kind of stuff, so thought I would post it:



Take care,

Joe