(CBS/AP) U.S. stocks headed for a sharply lower open Tuesday as investors grappled with increasing fears about the financial sector, including the prospect of bank failures.
Wall Street also awaited a batch of economic readings as the dollar fell to a new low against the euro.
This has been the Bush economy for seven and a half years. Prior to Bush, the US had a balanced budget. Now the country is in ruin.
Go ahead, dumb-asses...
Vote Republican.
Brad
Say it ain't so, Joe.
The Constitution
A Supreme Court ruling last month ruled that detainees must be allowed to challenge their detention in civilian courts, a right that the Bush administration said for years did not exist.
Hamdan quickly asked a federal judge to delay his military commission trial, saying he must be allowed to challenge the legality of the system before he can be prosecuted. Otherwise, he says, he could be convicted in a process that is later revealed to be unconstitutional.
So very little of what Bush has done has been constitutional. Bush is indeed, an ignorant warmonger with no respect for humanity or the rule of law, just like the rest of you Godless scumbags posing as Republicans.
You ALL belong in Hell...
Every single Bush supporter. You are just like the people that continued to defend Hitler, even after WW2.
Brad
Hamdan quickly asked a federal judge to delay his military commission trial, saying he must be allowed to challenge the legality of the system before he can be prosecuted. Otherwise, he says, he could be convicted in a process that is later revealed to be unconstitutional.
So very little of what Bush has done has been constitutional. Bush is indeed, an ignorant warmonger with no respect for humanity or the rule of law, just like the rest of you Godless scumbags posing as Republicans.
You ALL belong in Hell...
Every single Bush supporter. You are just like the people that continued to defend Hitler, even after WW2.
Brad
Shitbags and Warmongers
Joe,
by the way...
you have irreversibly proven yourself to be the ignorant scumbag I have claimed you were. Thank God you can't delete your posts. You obviously don't know a fraction of what you claim to know. You're just a stubborn, ignorant little scumbags that shoots his load whenever an American murders innocent civilians overseas.
You are a pathetic excuse for a man.
Note:
Since shit-Joe went silent about the truth, another hundred Americans have died fighting an un-winnable war in a country where they are not welcome.
They did not die defending their country. They did not die noble deaths. They died like ignorant warmongers.
Meanwhile, deranged marines continue to kill more innocent Americans at home than all the terrorists and illegal immigrants combined.
That's right...
you read correctly.
Marines have killed more Americans than have terrorists since 9/11.
God bless the marines? The fucking killers of women and children?
I don't think so.
by the way...
you have irreversibly proven yourself to be the ignorant scumbag I have claimed you were. Thank God you can't delete your posts. You obviously don't know a fraction of what you claim to know. You're just a stubborn, ignorant little scumbags that shoots his load whenever an American murders innocent civilians overseas.
You are a pathetic excuse for a man.
Note:
Since shit-Joe went silent about the truth, another hundred Americans have died fighting an un-winnable war in a country where they are not welcome.
They did not die defending their country. They did not die noble deaths. They died like ignorant warmongers.
Meanwhile, deranged marines continue to kill more innocent Americans at home than all the terrorists and illegal immigrants combined.
That's right...
you read correctly.
Marines have killed more Americans than have terrorists since 9/11.
God bless the marines? The fucking killers of women and children?
I don't think so.
The Economy Tanks
America's economy got another jolt of frightening news Wednesday as consumer prices logged their second-biggest monthly jump in 26 years.
In the latest shock wave to hit the economy, consumer prices rose 1.1 percent in June from the month before, far greater than the expected rate of 0.7 percent and almost double the reading from May, the Labor Department said.
Right down the toilet.
The United States isn't nearly the great country it was prior to the Bush administration. Not by a long shot.
So be sure to vote for another four years of killing strangers and choking the economy.
In the latest shock wave to hit the economy, consumer prices rose 1.1 percent in June from the month before, far greater than the expected rate of 0.7 percent and almost double the reading from May, the Labor Department said.
Right down the toilet.
The United States isn't nearly the great country it was prior to the Bush administration. Not by a long shot.
So be sure to vote for another four years of killing strangers and choking the economy.
Lazarus:
I've got a nephew serving in Iraq on his second tour in three years. While I disagree with your basic premise that our country sucks and can't do anything right, I do believe we need to own up to our mistakes and bring the troops home. Obama got it right when he said this was never about Iraq. If we had concentrated on the problem at hand, the terrorist threat could have been whittled down alot quicker.
We will learn and go forward. There's really no other route.
Larry
I've got a nephew serving in Iraq on his second tour in three years. While I disagree with your basic premise that our country sucks and can't do anything right, I do believe we need to own up to our mistakes and bring the troops home. Obama got it right when he said this was never about Iraq. If we had concentrated on the problem at hand, the terrorist threat could have been whittled down alot quicker.
We will learn and go forward. There's really no other route.
Larry
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What's It All About?
Larry,
One wonders how your nephew feels about that.
We do seem to be upsetting the terrorists schedule over there. I believe the sooner we get out of their hair in Iraq, the sooner they will be able to return to their scheduled plans.
That would be, having the time and space to concentrate on killing more infidels here in America. People with way more information and experience than those on this Forum are best left to make these kind of decisions. I would agree, that this is not about Iraq. The picture is much bigger than that God-forsaken country.
Comparing George Bush to Hitler shows the complete and utter stupidity of the drug addicts making that accusation. It also shows a total ignorance of history. Your nephew is a hero, in every sense of the word. The cowardly names that Brad just called him, as well as the other troops who are doing the dirty work that must be done, are the lowest form of protest against the war on terrorism.
There are always people and organizations in this world that must be eradicated. Thank God their are people who recognize that fact, before the good guys are wiped out.
Take care,
Joe
One wonders how your nephew feels about that.
We do seem to be upsetting the terrorists schedule over there. I believe the sooner we get out of their hair in Iraq, the sooner they will be able to return to their scheduled plans.
That would be, having the time and space to concentrate on killing more infidels here in America. People with way more information and experience than those on this Forum are best left to make these kind of decisions. I would agree, that this is not about Iraq. The picture is much bigger than that God-forsaken country.
Comparing George Bush to Hitler shows the complete and utter stupidity of the drug addicts making that accusation. It also shows a total ignorance of history. Your nephew is a hero, in every sense of the word. The cowardly names that Brad just called him, as well as the other troops who are doing the dirty work that must be done, are the lowest form of protest against the war on terrorism.
There are always people and organizations in this world that must be eradicated. Thank God their are people who recognize that fact, before the good guys are wiped out.
Take care,
Joe
Hello Joe:
Jeff, my nephew, feels he took the oath that every sevice member takes in order to serve the country, and he will see that oath out through this last enlistment. I would like to see him finish what he started (enlistment-wise) and retire out of the service with a retainer. That is, of course, his decison.
I am so proud of our troops. As of right now, we here at home have no idea what it's really like to pick up your gun and go back to work. My enlistment was in the US Navy (Submarines/Sonar/Diver). My involvement with weapons was purely undersea warfare. To carry personal weapons in somebody else's country is something I respect as a sign of personal, public, and patriotic commitment. I do not doubt the profesionalism and courage of our troops. Anyone who has not served in similar circumstances has no idea what the real story is, and has no right to call it as they see it. Question the purpose, yes. Question how our troops do their job under orders, unacceptable.
Larry
Jeff, my nephew, feels he took the oath that every sevice member takes in order to serve the country, and he will see that oath out through this last enlistment. I would like to see him finish what he started (enlistment-wise) and retire out of the service with a retainer. That is, of course, his decison.
I am so proud of our troops. As of right now, we here at home have no idea what it's really like to pick up your gun and go back to work. My enlistment was in the US Navy (Submarines/Sonar/Diver). My involvement with weapons was purely undersea warfare. To carry personal weapons in somebody else's country is something I respect as a sign of personal, public, and patriotic commitment. I do not doubt the profesionalism and courage of our troops. Anyone who has not served in similar circumstances has no idea what the real story is, and has no right to call it as they see it. Question the purpose, yes. Question how our troops do their job under orders, unacceptable.
Larry
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well OZ..i agreed with you until..."Question how our troops do their job under orders, unacceptable."
history suggests that in fact we as civilians question it all...
nurenburg stated clearly every soldier is to be responsible for their individual behavior...
My Lai was committed by troops following orders...
greatest respects to your nephew for serving.
history suggests that in fact we as civilians question it all...
nurenburg stated clearly every soldier is to be responsible for their individual behavior...
My Lai was committed by troops following orders...
greatest respects to your nephew for serving.
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Bullshit......
pip,
If anything approaching My Lai or the atrocities of Adolph Hitler is done by our troops or our President, I expect they will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of any law that applies. Your baseless charges are only being spoken by the enemies of America. Hopefully, you will be the first to feel their peaceful intentions when they walk across our borders.
It's easy to generalize that all of our troops are doing what a few bad apples will always do, but that has nothing to do with why they are there, and everything to do with the hatred of President Bush for having the audacity to beat the two best candidates that the Democrats could find.
By the way, is it also George Bush's fault that the stock market went up yesterday and the price of oil fell.......again?
You guys should sign your full names to the bottom of your posts, so everyone knows you are proud of your statements. Lots of people have no idea who is posting this garbage. You are proud ........aren't you? Maybe Brad will set up a little booth at the next Rendezvous and pass out copies of his Blog posts. I assume he is trying to reach Dutch Hunters with his message. This is, after all, a site that was dedicated to Dutch Hunters. What better place to get your message across to this audience, than the Rendezvous. You, pip, could be his backup guy, handing out fliers and posters of Ben Laden.
Better yet, maybe you could pass around a petition to have President Bush charged with war crimes. How about that.....do you have the courage of your convictions or is it all just Internet courage?
Joe Ribaudo
If anything approaching My Lai or the atrocities of Adolph Hitler is done by our troops or our President, I expect they will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of any law that applies. Your baseless charges are only being spoken by the enemies of America. Hopefully, you will be the first to feel their peaceful intentions when they walk across our borders.
It's easy to generalize that all of our troops are doing what a few bad apples will always do, but that has nothing to do with why they are there, and everything to do with the hatred of President Bush for having the audacity to beat the two best candidates that the Democrats could find.
By the way, is it also George Bush's fault that the stock market went up yesterday and the price of oil fell.......again?
You guys should sign your full names to the bottom of your posts, so everyone knows you are proud of your statements. Lots of people have no idea who is posting this garbage. You are proud ........aren't you? Maybe Brad will set up a little booth at the next Rendezvous and pass out copies of his Blog posts. I assume he is trying to reach Dutch Hunters with his message. This is, after all, a site that was dedicated to Dutch Hunters. What better place to get your message across to this audience, than the Rendezvous. You, pip, could be his backup guy, handing out fliers and posters of Ben Laden.
Better yet, maybe you could pass around a petition to have President Bush charged with war crimes. How about that.....do you have the courage of your convictions or is it all just Internet courage?
Joe Ribaudo
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Bad News For Bad Guys.......
pip,
Forgot to mention today's Stock Market and Oil prices. Is that President Bush's fault as well?
Joe Ribaudo
Forgot to mention today's Stock Market and Oil prices. Is that President Bush's fault as well?
Joe Ribaudo
pippinwhitepaws:
Point taken about Nuremburg and My Lai. You could also add incidents from every war beginning with the revolution. It's bad business.
I never fired a shot in anger or in fear, but I can say that when the outer doors are open there is an instant when you ask yourself, if the situation were real, are you doing the right thing. The shear inertia of a situation precludes second thought in most engagements, especially considering the chain-of-command mindset in the military.
As I implied earlier, we will learn and move on. Thanks for thoughts of my nephew.
Larry
Point taken about Nuremburg and My Lai. You could also add incidents from every war beginning with the revolution. It's bad business.
I never fired a shot in anger or in fear, but I can say that when the outer doors are open there is an instant when you ask yourself, if the situation were real, are you doing the right thing. The shear inertia of a situation precludes second thought in most engagements, especially considering the chain-of-command mindset in the military.
As I implied earlier, we will learn and move on. Thanks for thoughts of my nephew.
Larry
Joe,
you are such a fucking warmonger!
As I stated before, I personally know a former US soldier who was ordered to shoot a woman holding a baby. He was ordered by his superiors to shoot her, because they claimed the baby was really a bomb. It wasn't... it was a baby.
Now, from a professional standpoint, he should be proud of himself for a job well done... after all, he killed both of them with a single shot. The truth is, he murdered a woman and her baby in cold blood.
Joe calls this baby killer a hero, but in fact, he is no hero. I have to take care of the son of a bitch because the government turned their back on him, just as they have done to so many others.
Joe is clearly a Godless warmonger, without any sense of compassion. He is all shit, no brains. He is a heartless, self serving, liar of a scumbag.
Now go ahead and make more excuses for why you fuckers have turned our children into deranged killers.
you are such a fucking warmonger!
As I stated before, I personally know a former US soldier who was ordered to shoot a woman holding a baby. He was ordered by his superiors to shoot her, because they claimed the baby was really a bomb. It wasn't... it was a baby.
Now, from a professional standpoint, he should be proud of himself for a job well done... after all, he killed both of them with a single shot. The truth is, he murdered a woman and her baby in cold blood.
Joe calls this baby killer a hero, but in fact, he is no hero. I have to take care of the son of a bitch because the government turned their back on him, just as they have done to so many others.
Joe is clearly a Godless warmonger, without any sense of compassion. He is all shit, no brains. He is a heartless, self serving, liar of a scumbag.
Now go ahead and make more excuses for why you fuckers have turned our children into deranged killers.
Deranged Joe
Joe,
you are such a deranged loser.
By the time the rendezvous rolls along, there will be less than two weeks before the election. The rendezvous would not help the cause.
However, Bush most certainly deserves to be charged with war crimes, and the motherfucker should hang for his transgressions.
Besides, Joe...
I won't be camping near you this year...
you and your motor home both smell really bad, like no-one bathes. It's the worst smelling camp at the rendezvous.
Brad
you are such a deranged loser.
By the time the rendezvous rolls along, there will be less than two weeks before the election. The rendezvous would not help the cause.
However, Bush most certainly deserves to be charged with war crimes, and the motherfucker should hang for his transgressions.
Besides, Joe...
I won't be camping near you this year...
you and your motor home both smell really bad, like no-one bathes. It's the worst smelling camp at the rendezvous.
Brad
Joe Wrote:
"There are always people and organizations in this world that must be eradicated. Thank God their are people who recognize that fact, before the good guys are wiped out."
What a fucking sicko!
Who decides who the good guys are? You?
You are NOT a good guy, Joe... far from it.
You've made yourself very clear. You have no qualms about murdering women and children on false pretense, as long as you get your tank of gas.
Bring it on!
"There are always people and organizations in this world that must be eradicated. Thank God their are people who recognize that fact, before the good guys are wiped out."
What a fucking sicko!
Who decides who the good guys are? You?
You are NOT a good guy, Joe... far from it.
You've made yourself very clear. You have no qualms about murdering women and children on false pretense, as long as you get your tank of gas.
Bring it on!
Joe = Hitler
Joe Wrote:
"There are always people and organizations in this world that must be eradicated. Thank God their are people who recognize that fact, before the good guys are wiped out."
So tell me this quote doesn't sound like it could have been made by Hitler.
After all, Hitler was a Christian and Christ was a Jew. In Joe's world, that makes Hitler the good guy.
Brad
"There are always people and organizations in this world that must be eradicated. Thank God their are people who recognize that fact, before the good guys are wiped out."
So tell me this quote doesn't sound like it could have been made by Hitler.
After all, Hitler was a Christian and Christ was a Jew. In Joe's world, that makes Hitler the good guy.
Brad
Joe = Hitler
"There are always people and organizations in this world that must be eradicated. Thank God their are people who recognize that fact, before the good guys are wiped out."
Hitler recognized that fact, didn't he Joe...
Brad
Hitler recognized that fact, didn't he Joe...
Brad
Eradicate:
e·rad·i·cate [i ráddi kàyt]
(past and past participle e·rad·i·cat·ed, present participle e·rad·i·cat·ing, 3rd person present singular e·rad·i·cates)
To get rid of something completely: to destroy or get rid of something completely, so that it can never recur or return
Synonyms:
exterminate, wipe out, destroy
Exterminate:
ex·ter·mi·nate [ik stúrmə nàyt]
(past and past participle ex·ter·mi·nat·ed, present participle ex·ter·mi·nat·ing, 3rd person present singular ex·ter·mi·nates)
vt
To completely destroy: to kill or destroy somebody or something completely
Synonyms: eradicate, kill, annihilate, decimate, massacre
Warmonger:
war·mon·ger [wáwr mùnger, wáwr mònger]
(plural war·mon·gers) noun
(1) Somebody eager for war. (Encarta)
(2) A person that advocates war (Webster’s)
May I remind you folks that the Germans who murdered the Jews at Auschwitz were following orders from their superiors. Does this make their actions heroic?
Joe and Hitler obviously share rhetoric. And yes, by every definition of the word, Joe is a warmonger.
Brad
e·rad·i·cate [i ráddi kàyt]
(past and past participle e·rad·i·cat·ed, present participle e·rad·i·cat·ing, 3rd person present singular e·rad·i·cates)
To get rid of something completely: to destroy or get rid of something completely, so that it can never recur or return
Synonyms:
exterminate, wipe out, destroy
Exterminate:
ex·ter·mi·nate [ik stúrmə nàyt]
(past and past participle ex·ter·mi·nat·ed, present participle ex·ter·mi·nat·ing, 3rd person present singular ex·ter·mi·nates)
vt
To completely destroy: to kill or destroy somebody or something completely
Synonyms: eradicate, kill, annihilate, decimate, massacre
Warmonger:
war·mon·ger [wáwr mùnger, wáwr mònger]
(plural war·mon·gers) noun
(1) Somebody eager for war. (Encarta)
(2) A person that advocates war (Webster’s)
May I remind you folks that the Germans who murdered the Jews at Auschwitz were following orders from their superiors. Does this make their actions heroic?
Joe and Hitler obviously share rhetoric. And yes, by every definition of the word, Joe is a warmonger.
Brad
Republican Corruption Cost Troop Lives
Could D.C. Bribery Have Cost Troop Lives?
"The capability that was being funded was given an unqualified contractor, who failed at even the most basic level to provide the right people, the right resources and the right capability to help our troops deal with the No. 1 threat in Iraq,"
With American lives at stake, how did a company like MZM get such a crucial contract. The answer: The Pentagon.
MZM had gotten millions in Defense contracts - courtesy of Rep. Duke Cunningham, R-Calif., in the form of earmarks, grants of money without the normal public review.
As member of the House Intelligence Committee, Cunningham was able to keep the earmarks even more secret than most by making them "classified."
"It was not a merit-based process. It was based on sneaking a large contract to a company that had given millions of dollars in bribes and hundreds of thousands of dollars in political contributions to powerful members of Congress."
Well, Joe...
there you have it.
The people you defend are responsible for the deaths of US soldiers.
You are no better than Saddam Hussein himself. You are just as self centered and just as evil.
Brad
Brad
"The capability that was being funded was given an unqualified contractor, who failed at even the most basic level to provide the right people, the right resources and the right capability to help our troops deal with the No. 1 threat in Iraq,"
With American lives at stake, how did a company like MZM get such a crucial contract. The answer: The Pentagon.
MZM had gotten millions in Defense contracts - courtesy of Rep. Duke Cunningham, R-Calif., in the form of earmarks, grants of money without the normal public review.
As member of the House Intelligence Committee, Cunningham was able to keep the earmarks even more secret than most by making them "classified."
"It was not a merit-based process. It was based on sneaking a large contract to a company that had given millions of dollars in bribes and hundreds of thousands of dollars in political contributions to powerful members of Congress."
Well, Joe...
there you have it.
The people you defend are responsible for the deaths of US soldiers.
You are no better than Saddam Hussein himself. You are just as self centered and just as evil.
Brad
Brad
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America.......A Great Country!
We rarely get a chance to see another country's editorial about the USA .
Read this excerpt from a Romanian Newspaper. The article was written by Mr. Cornel Nistorescu and published under the title 'C'ntarea Americii, meaning 'Ode To America ') in the Romanian newspaper Evenimentulzilei 'The Daily Event' or 'News of the Day'
~An Ode to America ~
Why are Americans so united? They would not resemble one another even if you painted them all one color! They speak all the languages of the world and form an astonishing mixture of civilizations and religious beliefs.
Still, the American tragedy turned three hundred million people into a hand put on the heart.
Nobody rushed to accuse the White House, the Army, or the Secret Service that they are only a bunch of losers.
Nobody rushed to empty their bank accounts.
Nobody rushed out onto the streets nearby to gape about
Instead the Americans volunteered to donate blood and to give a helping hand.
After the first moments of panic, they raised their flag over the smoking ruins, putting on T-shirts, caps and ties in the colors of the national flag. They placed flags on buildings and cars as if in every place and on every car a government official or the president was passing. On every occasion, they started singing:'God Bless America !'
I watched the live broadcast and rerun after rerun for hours listening to the story of the guy who went down one hundred floors with a woman in a wheelchair without knowing who she was, or of the Californian hockey player, who gave his life fighting with the terrorists and prevented the plane from hitting a target that could have killed other hundreds or thousands of people.
How on earth were they able to respond united as one human being? Imperceptibly, with every word and musical note, the memory of some turned into a modern myth of tragic heroes. And with every phone call, millions and millions of dollars were put into collection aimed at rewarding not a man or a family, but a spirit, which no money can buy.
What on earth can unite the Americans in such a way?
Their land? Their history? Their economic Power? Money?
I tried for hours to find an answer, humming songs and murmuring phrases with the risk of sounding commonplace, I thought things over, I reached but only one conclusion... Only freedom can work such miracles.
Cornel Nistorescu
(This deserves to be passed around the Internet forever.) It took a person on the outside - looking in - to see what we take for granted ! GOD BLESS AMERICA ! !
Read this excerpt from a Romanian Newspaper. The article was written by Mr. Cornel Nistorescu and published under the title 'C'ntarea Americii, meaning 'Ode To America ') in the Romanian newspaper Evenimentulzilei 'The Daily Event' or 'News of the Day'
~An Ode to America ~
Why are Americans so united? They would not resemble one another even if you painted them all one color! They speak all the languages of the world and form an astonishing mixture of civilizations and religious beliefs.
Still, the American tragedy turned three hundred million people into a hand put on the heart.
Nobody rushed to accuse the White House, the Army, or the Secret Service that they are only a bunch of losers.
Nobody rushed to empty their bank accounts.
Nobody rushed out onto the streets nearby to gape about
Instead the Americans volunteered to donate blood and to give a helping hand.
After the first moments of panic, they raised their flag over the smoking ruins, putting on T-shirts, caps and ties in the colors of the national flag. They placed flags on buildings and cars as if in every place and on every car a government official or the president was passing. On every occasion, they started singing:'God Bless America !'
I watched the live broadcast and rerun after rerun for hours listening to the story of the guy who went down one hundred floors with a woman in a wheelchair without knowing who she was, or of the Californian hockey player, who gave his life fighting with the terrorists and prevented the plane from hitting a target that could have killed other hundreds or thousands of people.
How on earth were they able to respond united as one human being? Imperceptibly, with every word and musical note, the memory of some turned into a modern myth of tragic heroes. And with every phone call, millions and millions of dollars were put into collection aimed at rewarding not a man or a family, but a spirit, which no money can buy.
What on earth can unite the Americans in such a way?
Their land? Their history? Their economic Power? Money?
I tried for hours to find an answer, humming songs and murmuring phrases with the risk of sounding commonplace, I thought things over, I reached but only one conclusion... Only freedom can work such miracles.
Cornel Nistorescu
(This deserves to be passed around the Internet forever.) It took a person on the outside - looking in - to see what we take for granted ! GOD BLESS AMERICA ! !
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Twisting The Facts.......
This is how the haters of America twist the facts:
"After all, Hitler was a Christian and Christ was a Jew. In Joe's world, that makes Hitler the good guy."
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[The claim is sometimes made that Hitler was a Christian - a Roman Catholic until the day he died. In fact, Hitler rejected Christianity.
The book Hitler's Secret Conversations 1941-1944 published by Farrar, Straus and Young, Inc.first edition, 1953, contains definitive proof of Hitler's real views. The book was published in Britain under the title, _Hitler's Table Talk 1941-1944, which title was used for the Oxford University Press paperback edition in the United States.
All of these are quotes from Adolf Hitler:
Night of 11th-12th July, 1941:
National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things. (p 6 & 7)
10th October, 1941, midday:
Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure. (p 43)
14th October, 1941, midday:
The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.... Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse.... ...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.... Christianity the liar.... We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State. (p 49-52)
19th October, 1941, night:
The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity.
21st October, 1941, midday:
Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism, the destroyer.... The decisive falsification of Jesus' doctrine was the work of St.Paul. He gave himself to this work... For the purposes of personal exploitation.... Didn't the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, faggots? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. Today, it's in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed into St.Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea. (p 63-65)
13th December, 1941, midnight:
Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... .... When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease. (p 118 & 119)
14th December, 1941, midday:
Kerrl, with noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don't believe the thing's possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself.... Pure Christianity-- the Christianity of the catacombs-- is concerned with translating Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics. (p 119 & 120)
9th April, 1942, dinner:
There is something very unhealthy about Christianity (p 339)
27th February, 1942, midday:
It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his imperfection, can commit innumerable errors-- but to devote myself deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie. Our epoch In the next 200 yearse will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.... My regret will have been that I couldn't... Behold ." (p 278)]
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Joe Ribaudo
"After all, Hitler was a Christian and Christ was a Jew. In Joe's world, that makes Hitler the good guy."
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[The claim is sometimes made that Hitler was a Christian - a Roman Catholic until the day he died. In fact, Hitler rejected Christianity.
The book Hitler's Secret Conversations 1941-1944 published by Farrar, Straus and Young, Inc.first edition, 1953, contains definitive proof of Hitler's real views. The book was published in Britain under the title, _Hitler's Table Talk 1941-1944, which title was used for the Oxford University Press paperback edition in the United States.
All of these are quotes from Adolf Hitler:
Night of 11th-12th July, 1941:
National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things. (p 6 & 7)
10th October, 1941, midday:
Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure. (p 43)
14th October, 1941, midday:
The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.... Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse.... ...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.... Christianity the liar.... We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State. (p 49-52)
19th October, 1941, night:
The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity.
21st October, 1941, midday:
Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism, the destroyer.... The decisive falsification of Jesus' doctrine was the work of St.Paul. He gave himself to this work... For the purposes of personal exploitation.... Didn't the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, faggots? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. Today, it's in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed into St.Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea. (p 63-65)
13th December, 1941, midnight:
Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... .... When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease. (p 118 & 119)
14th December, 1941, midday:
Kerrl, with noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don't believe the thing's possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself.... Pure Christianity-- the Christianity of the catacombs-- is concerned with translating Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics. (p 119 & 120)
9th April, 1942, dinner:
There is something very unhealthy about Christianity (p 339)
27th February, 1942, midday:
It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his imperfection, can commit innumerable errors-- but to devote myself deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie. Our epoch In the next 200 yearse will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.... My regret will have been that I couldn't... Behold ." (p 278)]
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Joe Ribaudo
Joe Logic
KNOXVILLE, Tenn. - The man accused of shooting dead two people and wounding seven others at a church apparently selected the congregation because of its liberal social stance, the city's police chief said Monday.
Chief Sterling Owen said police found a letter in the car of Jim Adkisson, who was tackled and held by members of the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church after the Sunday morning attack.
Owen said Adkisson was apparently frustrated over being out of work and had a "stated hatred of the liberal movement."
The church is known for advocating women's and gay rights and founding an American Civil Liberties Union chapter.
"There are always people and organizations in this world that must be eradicated. Thank God their are people who recognize that fact, before the good guys are wiped out."
Quote by Joe.
Joe,
in regards to your quotes attributed to Hitler, none date back prior to WW2, by which point Hitler had indeed rejected Christianity. It's hard to kill that many people and still claim to be a Christian. That does not change the fact that Hitler was raised as a Christian in a Christian environment.
Now tell me how your statement differs from similar quotes made by Hitler. Yes, Joe... you think like a madman.
Brad
Chief Sterling Owen said police found a letter in the car of Jim Adkisson, who was tackled and held by members of the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church after the Sunday morning attack.
Owen said Adkisson was apparently frustrated over being out of work and had a "stated hatred of the liberal movement."
The church is known for advocating women's and gay rights and founding an American Civil Liberties Union chapter.
"There are always people and organizations in this world that must be eradicated. Thank God their are people who recognize that fact, before the good guys are wiped out."
Quote by Joe.
Joe,
in regards to your quotes attributed to Hitler, none date back prior to WW2, by which point Hitler had indeed rejected Christianity. It's hard to kill that many people and still claim to be a Christian. That does not change the fact that Hitler was raised as a Christian in a Christian environment.
Now tell me how your statement differs from similar quotes made by Hitler. Yes, Joe... you think like a madman.
Brad
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well laz..you beat me to the punch....
as i read the church shooting article, i too thought how it represented the basic republican attitude towards life...
the modern republicans support torture, death, personal profit over public welfare...and then say 'we didn't do anything illegal'
like the national socialists...everything hitler and his cronies did to others was legal...in their system.
which brings us to the bush administrations stacking the justice system with political allies...in opposition to the law which states no political bias is to be used in hiring or firing these public servants...
homeland homeland uber alles
as i read the church shooting article, i too thought how it represented the basic republican attitude towards life...
the modern republicans support torture, death, personal profit over public welfare...and then say 'we didn't do anything illegal'
like the national socialists...everything hitler and his cronies did to others was legal...in their system.
which brings us to the bush administrations stacking the justice system with political allies...in opposition to the law which states no political bias is to be used in hiring or firing these public servants...
homeland homeland uber alles
Deal Me In
"As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice."
Adolf Hitler
Gosh Joe...
it would seem my Hitler quote trumps your Hitlers quotes, as mine proves that an adult Hitler still considered himself a Christian prior to WW2.
You may now kiss my ass, warmonger...
providing you can get that close.
Stick around.
I'm just getting started.
Brad
Adolf Hitler
Gosh Joe...
it would seem my Hitler quote trumps your Hitlers quotes, as mine proves that an adult Hitler still considered himself a Christian prior to WW2.
You may now kiss my ass, warmonger...
providing you can get that close.
Stick around.
I'm just getting started.
Brad
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“It is not truth that matters, but victory.”
Adolf Hitler
“Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it.
Adolf Hitler.”
Note:
I included these two quotes because they are so reminiscent of the many over-the-top scary lies repeated endlessly by the Bush administration in the lead-up to the invasion of Iraq. In fact, no less than 935 such lies to be precise. Tell me there’s no comparison.
“I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator”
Adolf Hitler
“The world will not help, the people must help themselves. Its own strength is the source of life. That strength the Almighty has given us to use; that in it and through it, we may wage the battle of our life. The others in the past years have not had the blessing of the Almighty - of Him who in the last resort, whatever man may do, holds in His hands the final decision. Lord God, let us never hesitate or play the coward.”
Adolf Hitler
“Who says I am not under the special protection of God”
Adolf Hitler
Note:
I chose these quotes because they seem to directly contradict the quotes Joe posted. In these quotes, Hitler not only expresses a belief in God, but even goes so far as to assert that God is in his corner. As the war begins to go awry, Hitler abandons his God.
“Always before God and the world, the stronger has the right to carry through what he wills.”
Adolf Hitler
I chose this quote because it is indeed very much like the statement Joe made about thanking God there are people willing to kill bad guys.
God States quite clearly that we have not been granted the liberty to kill. He also clearly states that his rules are not open to our interpretation. There is no addendum providing for exceptions to the rule. Only God can make such a determination. Not Joe, not me, not Bush, not Hitler. Anyone who claims otherwise is only fooling themselves.
yes, Joe…
Your views are very much in line with those of the Spanish Inquisition or the Salem Witch Hunts. These were both the handiwork of so called Christians "eradicating" the bad guys.
As for your comments about “Haters of America” the phrase is far too vague to possess any tangible meaning. It’s just useless blather. It reminds me of the scene from The Jerk where the deranged guy picks Naven out of the phone book. When Naven realizes the cans are not defective, he assumes the shooter “hates cans”. There is a huge, senseless disconnect.
Do these “haters” hate all of America, including Canada and Brazil, or do they just hate the parts within the invisible lines separating the U.S. from the rest of the continent? And do they hate all the mountains and streams, the cars, the indigenous peoples and the causeway, or perhaps maybe they just hates the cans.
As a “Hater of America, do I need a special passport? Should I not be allowed to display a flag or attend Fourth of July ceremonies? Should my phone number be unlisted, and when can I expect a visit from Joseph McCarthy?
George Bush is not “America”. Calling for his impeachment is neither un-patriotic, nor much of a stretch. It is not un-American. In fact, I have been the one from the beginning questioning the Bush administration’s constant abuse of the Constitution. You have been the one constantly defending this abuse. How very American of you. Questioning your politics does not equate to “hating America”. I wonder if you piss on your shoes as often as you spew baseless platitudes.
Again, I am pleased we can no longer delete our own posts, as your ignorance will now stand in infamy. Your senseless remarks about thanking God some people are willing to kill cannot be retracted. Your idiotic nonsense about “haters of America” will bite you in the ass till the day you die. You are forever stupid.
Brad
Adolf Hitler
“Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it.
Adolf Hitler.”
Note:
I included these two quotes because they are so reminiscent of the many over-the-top scary lies repeated endlessly by the Bush administration in the lead-up to the invasion of Iraq. In fact, no less than 935 such lies to be precise. Tell me there’s no comparison.
“I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator”
Adolf Hitler
“The world will not help, the people must help themselves. Its own strength is the source of life. That strength the Almighty has given us to use; that in it and through it, we may wage the battle of our life. The others in the past years have not had the blessing of the Almighty - of Him who in the last resort, whatever man may do, holds in His hands the final decision. Lord God, let us never hesitate or play the coward.”
Adolf Hitler
“Who says I am not under the special protection of God”
Adolf Hitler
Note:
I chose these quotes because they seem to directly contradict the quotes Joe posted. In these quotes, Hitler not only expresses a belief in God, but even goes so far as to assert that God is in his corner. As the war begins to go awry, Hitler abandons his God.
“Always before God and the world, the stronger has the right to carry through what he wills.”
Adolf Hitler
I chose this quote because it is indeed very much like the statement Joe made about thanking God there are people willing to kill bad guys.
God States quite clearly that we have not been granted the liberty to kill. He also clearly states that his rules are not open to our interpretation. There is no addendum providing for exceptions to the rule. Only God can make such a determination. Not Joe, not me, not Bush, not Hitler. Anyone who claims otherwise is only fooling themselves.
yes, Joe…
Your views are very much in line with those of the Spanish Inquisition or the Salem Witch Hunts. These were both the handiwork of so called Christians "eradicating" the bad guys.
As for your comments about “Haters of America” the phrase is far too vague to possess any tangible meaning. It’s just useless blather. It reminds me of the scene from The Jerk where the deranged guy picks Naven out of the phone book. When Naven realizes the cans are not defective, he assumes the shooter “hates cans”. There is a huge, senseless disconnect.
Do these “haters” hate all of America, including Canada and Brazil, or do they just hate the parts within the invisible lines separating the U.S. from the rest of the continent? And do they hate all the mountains and streams, the cars, the indigenous peoples and the causeway, or perhaps maybe they just hates the cans.
As a “Hater of America, do I need a special passport? Should I not be allowed to display a flag or attend Fourth of July ceremonies? Should my phone number be unlisted, and when can I expect a visit from Joseph McCarthy?
George Bush is not “America”. Calling for his impeachment is neither un-patriotic, nor much of a stretch. It is not un-American. In fact, I have been the one from the beginning questioning the Bush administration’s constant abuse of the Constitution. You have been the one constantly defending this abuse. How very American of you. Questioning your politics does not equate to “hating America”. I wonder if you piss on your shoes as often as you spew baseless platitudes.
Again, I am pleased we can no longer delete our own posts, as your ignorance will now stand in infamy. Your senseless remarks about thanking God some people are willing to kill cannot be retracted. Your idiotic nonsense about “haters of America” will bite you in the ass till the day you die. You are forever stupid.
Brad
Worst Ever
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush's budget chief blamed the faltering economy and the bipartisan stimulus package for the record $482 billion deficit the White House predicted for the 2009 budget year.
President Bush inherited a budget surplus of $128 billion when he took office in 2001 but has since posted a budget deficit every year
A Democratic point man on the budget, Sen. Kent Conrad of North Dakota, blasted the administration for its "reckless fiscal policies," blaming the president's tax cuts for driving the government into deficit and saying Bush "will be remembered as the most fiscally irresponsible president in our nation's history."
Say it ain't so, Joe...
that's all the fuck you're good for.
Brad
President Bush inherited a budget surplus of $128 billion when he took office in 2001 but has since posted a budget deficit every year
A Democratic point man on the budget, Sen. Kent Conrad of North Dakota, blasted the administration for its "reckless fiscal policies," blaming the president's tax cuts for driving the government into deficit and saying Bush "will be remembered as the most fiscally irresponsible president in our nation's history."
Say it ain't so, Joe...
that's all the fuck you're good for.
Brad