Mine Deity

[Wiz]

Zoltan,
I sent you a personal message providing some additional detail.

Laz

Laz,
Would you send me an update as well? I've been wondering how that was going.
Thanks.

[Joe Ribaudo]

Laz,

I would also be interested in an update.

Hope all is well with you and the family.

Joe Ribaudo

[Joe Ribaudo]

Paul,

The photo of this "deity" was examined by Dr. Michael E. Smith. I recently sent another picture to him and received a quick response. You probably saw the results of that contact on Treasure Net.

Dr. Smith is now at ASU. If anyone really wanted to find out if this thing was authentic, they would walk onto the campus, look up Dr. Smith, hand him the artifact and ask his opinion.

Why this thing is being brought up again is a mystery. It would be very easy to get an informed opinion.......assuming one was wanted.

As you know, there have been no recent requests for Treasure Trove Permits in the Superstitions.....Recent being around two or three weeks ago. It's, of course, possible I was given erroneous information.

The following is from a previous conversation that took place on this Forum:

[One of the people I sent your pictures to was, Dr. Michael E. Smith,
Professor of Anthropology, University at Albany. This was his response:

"This looks like a piece of modern junk made to fool tourists."

That's a strong comment from an archaeologist. In my dealings with them, they seldom make such definitive statements. There are good reasons for that. In archaeology, one turn of the spade can destroy what has been accepted fact for many years. They will usually leave themselves some "wiggle" room. You will notice he said "looks like", not "is".

For me, his opinion is enough. I would have preferred it was the real thing.]

It would seem that Dr. Smith's opinion was not quite the desired answer. Why is this the only place where an opinion was asked for? I offered to send the picture to a number of well know archaeologist's and Laz thought that was a fine idea......back then. The "fact" that the "deity" was found at Laz's LDM site, places even more suspicion on the whole thing.

There are so many ways to end the speculation on this little guy, that it's hard to imagine why it hasn't already been done. Considering that Pip and critter have seen the artifact, I should think they would have offered their professional opinions.

Take care,

Joe

[pippinwhitepaws]

lol...hate to break it to you joe...dr. smith is a marxist...lolol

this from his blogsite...lololol....
"
My research focuses on Aztec social and economic organization, and on the comparative analysis of ancient urban societies.. My theoretical and comparative interests derive from a materialist, political-economy approach to ancient state societies. I have published on topics of urbanism, imperialism, households, and economic organization. Current projects include assembly of the final publications on my Morelos excavations, fieldwork at Calixtlahuaca, and work on comparative urbanism..."

"materialist, political-economy approach to ancient state societies."

duh..means of production, modes of production, who owns the resources...

lololololol

[Joe Ribaudo]

pip,

No professional opinion???

Joe Ribaudo

[pippinwhitepaws]

misconception:
i have not seen photos of,nor held any object as described...if you go back and re-read my posts, you will notice that in fact was the topic from my point of view.. 'please laz...just let me review the found evidence...'

since laz does not know me...i doubt i will see anything prior to anyone else.

and joe...if i hold an object...i can date it...it's what i do...ask sue...
theory and praxis...

idiot savant....lol

[Joe Ribaudo]

pip,

"lol...hate to break it to you joe...dr. smith is a marxist...lolol"

That's a fine bit of research on Professor Smith.

He might be, but I will have to leave it to your informed opinion, as I have no idea how anything on his site makes him a "marxist", any more than someone who studies and writes about the Third Reich would be considered a Nazi.

If he is a "marxist", as you put it, I have no idea how that could reflect negatively on his abilities as an archaeologist and expert on the Aztec Civilization.

I would suggest that you do a little research on Russian Archaeologist's. I believe you could just continue your Internet studies, but if you like, I will be happy to recommend some good books on the subject.

Some people believe that an individuals political or religious leanings reflect, in some way, on their professional abilities. Nothing could be farther from the truth. The diversity in brilliant minds knows no political, ethnical or religious boundaries.

While you are entitled to your opinion of Dr. Smith's political viewpoint, I have no idea what that has to do with his ability to recognize a legitimate artifact. Are you questioning his credentials in that field?

Here's Dr. Smith's site:

http://www.public.asu.edu/~mesmith9/mesbio.html

Joe Ribaudo

[Joe Ribaudo]

pip,

"and joe...if i hold an object...i can date it...it's what i do...ask sue..."

That's almost poetic.

Very well, I accept your challenge.......without asking "sue..."

Take a beaker to an oil field. Ask one of the people there, to place some of the oil from a well in the beaker. Pour a little in your hand and tell me how old it is. Once you have done that, I will give you another dating task.

I believe this is where you start your little dance. If you are successful, I will start my little dance.

Joe Ribaudo

[pippinwhitepaws]

lol....artifacts joe...not flora or fauna...
H-I-S-T-O-R-I-A-N...not biologist/geologist...lol

disciplines joe...

[Joe Ribaudo]

pip,

"and joe...if i hold an object...i can date it...it's what i do...ask sue..."

And thus the dancing begins. An "object" has become an "artifact".

Very well, I accept your terminology for an object.

I hold an "artifact" in my hand. It is a ball made of granite. It is perfectly round and has no identifying marks on it. I place it in your hand. Can you tell me how old this "artifact" is?.......No?

How about this instead: On the granite ball, you find a plain circle painted with oil paint. Can you tell me when the circle was painted on the ball? Both the ball and the circle would be considered an "artifact".

Let me save you some time in your search for Russian archaeologist's. Start with Dr. Yuri Valentinovich Knorosov who, while not an archaeologist, made the study of true Mayan history possible. Do you know how many times he visited the land of the Maya? No fair asking "sue".

We have now danced our way from "object" to "artifact". I believe you will now need to refine your steps a bit more.

Let's keep in mind that this is an exercise in fun/wit, without serious overtones. No one is really right, nor wrong. In the process, I hope we can both learn something useful.

I assume that "idiot savant" is not your new signature.

Joe Ribaudo

[critter]

Any archaeologist who would make such a difinitive statement based solely on a photograph is an absolute fool. I've worked with many real archaeologists over the years and none I know will base anything on a photo, they always want to see the real thing and that should be expected of anyone claiming to be an expert in material analysis. I'd like to know what his expert opinion is as to the mineral from which it is carved.

I wouldn't put much stock in any photo analysis by anyone, even someone who should know better. That's just my two cents, but then again, I could be wrong.

Critter

[lazarus]

PWP,

first of all, Critter is right. No responsible archaeologist would make such a statement without viewing the object.

Furthermore, Joe claims he recently sent the photo to Dr. Smith, however, that was years ago. Again, Joe is not being honest. It's in his nature. Joe can't find his own socks in the morning. He crawls around the floor looking for excuses. His entire life is one fat, lazy lie.

However, all of you are most certainly welcome to take Joe's reputation and subsequent statements into consideration on the subject.

The fact that the object has led to other important discoveries sums it up for myself, but as long as "experts" like Joe and Dr. Smith are declaring the object "junk", I'm ethically and legally in the clear.

Ain't that right, Joe...
after all, you know everything about everything.

Lazarus

[lazarus]

oh,

I guess I failed to mention that over the winter the object was examined by an expert, one whom Joe knows and respects. I don't have permission to use the persons name, but rest assured, that person gave no indication they suspected the object was "junk".

Sorry Joe,
I set you up again.

Lazarus

[Cubfan64]

Maybe it's my own RL stress talking these days, but I find it's getting increasingly tedious to have to wade through the "personal BS" in so many of these posts to try to get to facts and information worthy of digestion.

[Joe Ribaudo]

Paul,

It's just their MO. Anyone who disagrees with their conclusions is "an absolute fool", even someone as respected as Dr. Smith. Sources are never revealed, but it's always hinted that the results were favorable.

You would think it would be a simple thing to read my post and see that the picture I recently sent to Dr. Smith was of something entirely different than Brad's little carving, but reading and understanding what is being written is never a strong point on this Forum.

Brad's conclusions that the bell at Sky Harbors's Left Seat Restaurant was really all that was left of an old Spanish mission is a perfect example of his reasoning abilities.

I have no complaint really because I understand going in, most of what I write here will not be understood.....simple as I try to keep it.

Each and every time you call them on there BS, they drift into another subject or revert to personal (name calling) attacks. Never a single fact to back up their assertions.

It would seem that the druggie site has grown boring, even for these guys, and they have decided this Forum is more interesting.

Take care,

Joe

[lazarus]

I know longer need prove anything about the bell. I have the old maps and the name of the chapel. I know when and how the chapel fell, etc.

If you are to believe Joe, four years ago Joe sent the photos of the object to Dr. Michael E. Smith, Professor of Anthropology, University at Albany, who replied:

"This looks like a piece of modern junk made to fool tourists."

Now Joe wants us to believe that for reasons unexplained, he recently sent Mr. Smith additional photos of the deity that he chose not to send four years ago, to which Smith again replied:

"This looks like a piece of modern junk made to fool tourists."

Why didn't Joe send Mr. Smith all the photos the first time when he said he did, and why did he wait four years and then suddenly decide to send the others?

Furthermore, why would Mr. Smith give the same pat answer? I don't know. However, I know for certain no archaeologist from Albany has contacted me directly or inquired about further information or details.

It doesn't take a genius to realize the object is not a modern piece of junk made to fool tourists.

I posted a photo of the 'chapel' sans runway months ago.

[pippinwhitepaws]

laz, critter....someone is just attempting to bolster it's ego...in the forum where it can then cry to the powers that be and have the person it attacks banned from the site...

marxism is the basis of most anthropology at this point in time....
who made the object..who used the object...who controled the resources...these three points allow one to study the cultural focus of ancient civilizations....any freshman in any college learns this just getting the required classes out of the way....until marx...anthropologists were just historians who dug around in the dirt ruining future studies of the site.

arguing with smoke...

[pippinwhitepaws]

anyway....laz...if you ever wish to share your research...i love to read...
regardless of any non informed opinion...i am a southwest historian historian...

[Joe Ribaudo]

pip,

I have one last question:

What is a "southwest historian historian"?

Thanks in advance,

Joe Ribaudo

[critter]

Wouldn't that be an historian who specialises in the study of southwest historians?

Seems obvious to me, but then again, I could be wrong.



Cheers,

Critter

[critter]

You know, I must admit, the whole "piece of junk made to fool tourists" answer is stock in the archaeologists arsenal of answers to any find by a layperson. My first archaeological find, when I was 12, met with that kind of criticism for over thirteen years and almost word for word. Of course, a child isn't supposed to find anything of importance, right? Well, after I completed a thorough material analysis, something that any competent archaeologist should be able to do, I had my research published in a peer reviewed journal and got inquiries from museums. I still keep the Bronze Age find usually within a meter of me and have even learned to use the instrument. It just goes to show that one archaeologists "junk" is another's treasure.

I wouldn't take the offhand response of any archaeologist seriously without consideration. They're just protecting their jobs, not past civilizations or cultures. In my opinion you are better to do the research yourself than to trust one of those ilk. But then again, I could be wrong.

Cheers,

Critter

[Joe Ribaudo]

Dr. Critter,

As I mentioned before, Dr. Smith did give himself a little wriggle room by saying "looks like". He was only given a picture of the object, and gave an informed opinion based solely on that visual presentation. Despite the abuse that has been directed his way by the experts on this Forum, I believe he is probably still respected by the "peers" you mentioned.

Would it be possible for you to post some of the places where your work has been published?

While the three of you have made derisive remarks about the abilities of Dr. Smith, I would like to post a small reminder of what he has presented for "peer" review:

Journal Articles and Book Chapters:

2008-- Smith, ME. City Planning: Aztec City Planning. In: Encyclopaedia of the History of Non-Westsern Science, Technology and Medicine, 2nd edition, edited by Helaine Selin. Vol. 1, PP. 577-578. Springer.

2007-- Smith, ME. Form and Meaning in the Earliest Cities: A New Approach to Ancient Urban Planning. Journal of Planning History 6: 3-47.

2007-- Smith, ME. La cerámica posclásica de Morelos. In La producción alfarera en el México antiguo, edited by Beatriz Leonor Merino Carrión and Ángel García Cook, PP. 153-174. Colección Científica. Vol. 5. Instituto Nacional de Antropología e Historia, Mexico City.

2007 -- Smith, ME, Adrian Burke, Timothy S. Hare and Michael D. Glascock. Sources of Imported Obsidian at Postclassic Sites in the Yautepec Valley, Morelos: A Characterization Study Using XRF and INAA. Latin American Antiquity 18: 429-450.

2007-- Smith, Michael E. (2007) Tula and Chichén Itzá: Are We Asking the Right Questions? In Twin Tollans: Chichén Itzá, Tula, and the Epiclassic to Early Postclassic Mesoamerican World, edited by Jeff Karl Kowalski and Cynthia Kristan-Graham, PP. 579-617. Dumbarton Oaks, Washington, DC.

2007-- Rojas, José Luis de and Michael E. Smith (2007) El imperio de la triple alianza (Tenochtitlan, Texcoco y Tlacopan) en el siglo XXI. Revista Española de Antropología Americana 37:81-07.

2006-- Foreward: Aztec Figurine Studies. In The Post-Classic Figurines of Central Mexico, by Flora Kaplan, PP. I-ix. Occasional Papers. Vol. 11. Institute for Mesoamerican Studies, Albany.

2006-- Smith, Michael E. La fundación de Las ciudades en el mundo antiguo: revisión de conceptos. In Nuevas ciudades, nuevas patrias: fundación y relocalización de ciudades en Mesoamérica y el Meditteráneo antiguo, edited by María Josefa Iglesias Ponce de León, Rogelio Valencia Rivera and Andrés Ciudad Ruiz, PP.11-23. Sociedad Española de Estudios Mayas, Madrid.

The Founding of Cities in the Ancient World: Review of Concepts (English-language version of the above)

2006-- Smith, ME. La fundación de Los capitales de Las ciudades-estado aztecas: la recreación ideológico de Tollan. In Nuevas ciudades, nuevas patrias: fundación y relocalización de ciudades en Mesoamérica y el Meditteráneo antiguo, edited by María Josefa Iglesias Ponce de León, Rogelio Valencia Rivera and Andrés Ciudad Ruiz, PP. 257-290. Sociedad Española de Estudios Mayas, Madrid.

2006-- Smith ME. How do Archaeologists Compare Early States? Book review essay on: The Political Landscape: Constellations of Authority in Early Complex Polities by Adam T. Smith, and Understanding Early Civilizations: A Comparative Study by Bruce Trigger. Reviews in Anthropology 35: 5-35.

2006-- Smith ME & Schreiber KJ. New World States and Empires: Politics, Religion, and Urbanism. Journal of Archaeological Research 14: 1-52.

2005-- Smith ME & M. Lind . Xoo-Phase Ceramics from Oaxaca Found at Calixtlahuaca in Central Mexico. Ancient Mesoamerica 16: 169-177 (published in 2006).

2005-- Smith ME. City Size in Late Postclassic Mesoamerica. Journal of Urban History 31: 403-434.

2005-- Smith ME. Life in the Provinces of the Aztec Empires. In Mysteries of the Ancient Ones, PP. 90-97. Scientific American, vol. 15 (1). Scientific American, New York. (revised reprint of 1997 article in Scientific American).

2004-- Smith ME. Did the Maya Build Architectural Cosmograms? Latin American Antiquity 16: 217-224.

2005-- Smith ME. Aztec-Style Ceramic Figurines from Yautepec, Morelos. Mexicon 27: 45-55.

2005-- Smith ME & Schreiber K. New World States and Empires: Economic and Social Organization. Review article solicited by the Journal of Archaeological Research 13: 189-229.

2004-- Smith ME. The Archaeology of Ancient State Economies. Annual Review of Anthropology 33: 73-102.

2004-- Smith ME. Los hogares de Morelos en el sistema mundial mesoamericano postclásico. Relaciones 25 (99): 79-113 (El Colegio de Michoacán, Mexico).

2004-- Berdan, FF & ME Smith. El sistema mundial mesoamericano postclásico. Relaciones 25 (99): 17-77 (El Colegio de Michoacán, Mexico).

2003-- Smith ME. Comercio Postclásico en la Cerámica Decorada: Malinalco, Toluca, Guerrero y Morelos. Arqueología 29: 63-84 ( Mexico City)

2003-- Smith ME. A Quarter-Century of Aztec Studies. Mexicon 25:1-10. Article solicited for the 25 th anniversary volume of the journal.

2003-- Smith ME. Can we Read Cosmology from Maya City Plans? Comment on Ashmore and Sabloff. Latin American Antiquity 14:221-228.

2003-- Smith ME. What Did Mesoamerican Commoners Think About “Pre-Sunrise Things?”: Comment on Hamann. Current Anthropology 44: 271.

2003-- Smith ME. Wharton JB. McCarron M. Las ofrendas de Calixtlahuaca. Expresión Antropológica 19: 35-53 (Instituto Mexiquense de Cultura, Toluca, Mexico).

2003-- Smith ME, JB Wharton & JM Olson Aztec Feasts, Rituals, and Markets: Political Uses of Ceramic Vessels in a Commercial Economy. In The Archaeology and Politics of Food and Feasting in Early States and Empires, edited by Tamara Bray, pp. 235-268 Kluwer Academic Publishers, New York.

2003-- Smith ME. Henderson JS. Archaeology: Mesoamerica. In Handbook of Latin American Studies: no. 59, Social Sciences, edited by Lawrence Boudon, pp. 1-40. University of Texas Press, Austin.

2003-- Smith ME. . Economic Change in Morelos Households. In The Postclassic Mesoamerican World, ed. ME Smith, FF Berdan, pp. 249-58. Salt Lake City: University of Utah Press

2003-- Smith ME. . Key Commodities. In The Postclassic Mesoamerican World, ed. ME Smith, FF Berdan, pp. 117-25. Salt Lake City: University of Utah Press

2003-- Smith ME. . Information Networks in Postclassic Mesoamerica. In The Postclassic Mesoamerican World, ed. ME Smith, FF Berdan, pp. 181-5. Salt Lake City: University of Utah Press

2003-- Smith ME & FF Berdan . Postclassic Mesoamerica. In The Postclassic Mesoamerican World, ed. ME Smith, FF Berdan, pp. 3-13. Salt Lake City: University of Utah Press

2003-- Smith ME & FF Berdan . Spatial Structure of the Mesoamerican World System. In The Postclassic Mesoamerican World, ed. ME Smith, FF Berdan, pp. 21-31. Salt Lake City: University of Utah Press

2003-- Berdan, FF., MA Masson, J Gasco & ME Smith An International Economy. In The Postclassic Mesoamerican World, edited by Michael E. Smith and Frances F. Berdan, pp. 96-108. University of Utah Press, Salt Lake City.

2003-- Boone, EH. & ME Smith Postclassic International Styles and Symbol Sets. In The Postclassic Mesoamerican World, edited by Michael E. Smith and Frances F. Berdan, pp. 186-193. University of Utah Press, Salt Lake City.

2002-- Smith ME. Domestic Ritual at Aztec Provincial Sites in Morelos. In Domestic Ritual in Ancient Mesoamerica, edited by Patricia Plunket, pp. 93-114. Monograph no. 46, Cotsen Institute of Archaeology, UCLA, Los Angeles.

2002-- Smith ME. The Earliest Cities. In Urban Life: Readings in Urban Anthropology, edited by George Gmelch and Walter Zenner, 4 th ed., pp. 3-19. Waveland Press, Prospect Heights, IL.

2001-- Smith, ME. Urbanization. In The Oxford Encyclopedia of Mesoamerican Cultures: The Civilizations of Mexico and Central America, edited by Davíd Carrasco, pp. 290-294. vol. 3. Oxford University Press, New York.

2001-- Smith ME. The Aztec World of Gary Jennings. In Novel History: American History According to the Novelists, edited by Mark C. Carnes, pp. 95-105. Simon and Schuster, New York.

2001-- Smith ME. The Aztec Empire and the Mesoamerican World System. In Empires: Comparative Perspectives from Archaeology and History, edited by Susan E. Alcock, Terence N. D'Altroy, Kathleen D. Morrison and Carla M. Sinopoli, pp. 128-154. Cambridge University Press, New York.

2001-- Smith ME. Postclassic Ceramics from the Toluca Valley in US Museums: The Bauer and Blake collections. Mexicon 23: 141-146

2001-- Elson, C & ME Smith Archaeological Evidence for the Aztec New Fire Ceremony. Ancient Mesoamerica 12: 157-174.

2001-- Smith ME & LM Montiel The Archaeological Study of Empires and Imperialism in Prehispanic Central Mexico. Journal of Anthropological Archaeology 20:245-284.

2000-- Smith ME & FF Berdan The Postclassic Mesoamerican World System. Current Anthropology 41: 283-286.

2000-- Smith, M E. Aztec City-States. In A Comparative Study of Thirty City-State Cultures, edited by Mogens Herman Hansen, pp. 581-595. The Royal Danish Academy of Sciences and Letters, Copenhagen.

2000--Smith ME. Postclassic Developments at Xochicalco. In Archaeological Research at Xochicalco vol. 2, The Xochicalco Mapping Project, edited by Kenneth G. Hirth, pp. 167-183. University of Utah Press, Salt Lake City.

1999-- Smith ME. On Hirth’s “Distribution Approach.” Current Anthropology 40:528-530.

1999-- Smith ME. Heath-Smith C. & Montiel L. Excavations of Aztec Urban Houses at Yautepec, Morelos, Mexico. Latin American Antiquity 10:133-150.

1996-- Smith ME & Hare TS. A New Postclassic Chronology for Yautepec, Morelos. Ancient Mesoamerica 7:281-298.

1996-- Smith ME. The Aztec Silent Majority: William T. Sanders and the Study of the Aztec Peasantry. In Arqueología Mesoamericana: Homenaje a William T. Sanders, vol. 1, edited by Alba Guadalupe Mastache, Jeffrey R. Parsons, Robert S. Santley, and Mari Carmen Serra Puche, pp. 375-386. Instituto Nacional de Antropología e Historia, Mexico City.

1996-- Smith ME. Gasco J. The Origins of Mesoamerican Civilization. Chapter 2 of The Legacy of Mesoamerica, edited by Robert Carmack, Janine Gasco, and Gary Gossen, pp.40-79. Prentice-Hall, Englewood Cliffs.

1994-- Smith ME. Hernán Cortés on Aztec City Size: Comment on Dobyns. Latin American Population History Bulletin 25: 25-27.

1994-- Smith ME. Heath-Smith C. Kohler R. Odess J. Spanogle S. & Sullivan T The Size of the Aztec City of Yautepec: Urban Survey in Central Mexico. Ancient Mesoamerica 5: 1-11.

1994-- Smith ME & Price JT Aztec-Period Agricultural Terraces in Morelos, Mexico: Evidence for Household-Level Agricultural Intensification. Journal of Field Archaeology 21: 169-179.

1994-- Smith ME. Economies and Polities in Aztec-Period Morelos: Ethnohistoric Overview. In Economies and Polities in the Aztec Realm, edited by Mary G. Hodge and Michael E. Smith, pp. 313-348. Institute for Mesoamerican Studies, Albany.

1994-- Smith ME. Heath-Smith C. Rural Economy in Late Postclassic Morelos: An Archaeological Study. In Economies and Polities in the Aztec Realm, edited by Mary G. Hodge and Michael E. Smith, pp. 349-376. Institute for Mesoamerican Studies, Albany.

1994-- Smith ME. Hodge MG. An Introduction to Late Postclassic Economies and Polities. In Economies and Polities in the Aztec Realm, edited by Mary G. Hodge and Michael E. Smith, pp. 1-42. Institute for Mesoamerican Studies, Albany.

1994-- Smith ME. Social Complexity in the Aztec Countryside. In Archaeological Views from the Countryside: Village Communities in Early Complex Societies, edited by Glenn M. Schwartz and Steven E. Falconer, pp. 143-159. Smithsonian Institution Press, Washington, DC.

1993-- Smith ME. Houses and the Settlement Hierarchy in Late Postclassic Morelos: A Comparison of Archaeology and Ethnohistory. In Household, Compound, and Residence: Studies of Prehispanic Domestic Units in Western Mesoamerica, edited by Robert S. Santley and Kenneth G. Hirth, pp. 191-206. CRC Press, Boca Raton, FL.

1993-- Smith ME. New World Complex Societies: Recent Economic, Social and Political Studies. Journal of Archaeological Research 1: 5-41.

1993-- Smith ME. Arquitectura y Sociedad en Sitios Rurales Postclásicos en el Oeste de Morelos. Cuadernos de Arquitectura Mesoamericana 24: 39-51.

1992-- Smith ME & FF Berdan Archaeology and the Aztec Empire. World Archaeology 23: 353-367.

1992-- Smith ME. Braudel's Temporal Rhythms and Chronology Theory in Archaeology. In Annales, Archaeology, and Ethnohistory, edited by A. Bernard Knapp, pp. 25-36. Cambridge University Press, New York.

1992-- Smith ME. Rhythms of Change in Postclassic Central Mexico: Archaeology, Ethnohistory, and the Braudellian Model. In Annales, Archaeology, and Ethnohistory, edited by A. Bernard Knapp, pp. 55-76. Cambridge University Press, New York.

1991-- Smith ME & J Doershuk Late Postclassic Chronology in Western Morelos, Mexico. Latin American Antiquity 2: 291-310.

1991-- Smith, ME. Long-Distance Trade Under the Aztec Empire: The Archaeological Evidence. Ancient Mesoamerica 1: 153-169.

1989-- Smith ME. Aguirre P. Heath-Smith C. Hirst S. O’Mack S. Price J. Architectural Patterns at Three Aztec-Period Sites in Morelos, Mexico. Journal of Field Archaeology 16: 185-203.

1989-- Smith ME. Cities, Towns, and Urbanism: Response to Sanders and Webster. American Anthropologist 91: 454-460.

1988-- Smith ME & KG Hirth The Development of Pre-Hispanic Cotton Spinning Technology in Western Morelos, Mexico. Journal of Field Archaeology 15: 349-358.

1987-- Smith ME. Household Possessions and Wealth in Agrarian States: Implications for Archaeology. Journal of Anthropological Archaeology 6: 297-335.

1987-- Smith ME. Archaeology and the Aztec Economy: The Social Scientific Use of Archaeological Data. Social Science History 11: 237-259.

1987-- Smith ME. The Expansion of the Aztec Empire: A Case Study in the Correlation of Diachronic Archaeological and Ethnohistorical Data. American Antiquity 52: 37-54.

1986-- Smith ME. The Role of Social Stratification in the Aztec Empire: A View From the Provinces. American Anthropologist 88: 70-91.

1985-- Smith ME. Comment on "Staple Finance, Wealth Finance, and Storage in Inka Political Economy" by D'Altroy and Earle. Current Anthropology 26: 664-665.

1984-- Smith ME. The Aztlan Migrations of the Nahuatl Chronicles: Myth or History? Ethnohistory 31: 153-186.

1983-- Smith ME. El Desarrollo Económico y la Expansión del Imperio Mexica: Una Perspectiva Sistémica. Estudios de Cultura Náhuatl 16: 135-164.

1981-- Smith ME. El Sistema de Mercado Azteca y Patrones de Asentamineto en el Valle de México: Un Análisis de Lugares Centrales. Cuicuilco 5: 18-26. (translation of 1979a).

1980-- Smith ME. The Role of the Marketing System in Aztec Society and Economy: Reply to Evans. American Antiquity 45: 876-883.

1980-- Smith ME. Heath-Smith C. Waves of Influence in Postclassic Mesoamerica? A Critique of the Mixteca-Puebla Concept. Anthropology 4(2): 15-50.

1979-- Smith ME. The Aztec Marketing System and Settlement Patterns in the Valley of Mexico: A Central Place Analysis. American Antiquity 44: 110-125.

1979-- Smith ME. A Further Criticism of the Type-Variety System: The Data Can't be Used. American Antiquity 44: 822-826.

1978-- Smith ME. A Model for the Diffusion of the Shaft Tomb Complex from South America to West Mexico. Journal of the Steward Anthropological Society 9: 179-204.

1977-- Smith ME. . State Systems of Settlement: Response to Crumley. American Anthropologist 79: 903-6

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Recent Book Reviews:

2008--Smith, ME. Review of: The Postclassic to Spanish-Era Transition in Mesoamerica: Archaeological Perspectives, edited by S Kepecs and RT Alexander. Latin American Antiquity 19: 100-101.

2007-- Smith, ME. Review of Montezuma: Warlord of the Aztecs by Peter G. Tsouras. The Historian 69:355-356.

2006-- Smith, ME. Review of: Ancient Middle Niger: Urbanism and the Self-Organizing Landscape , by Roderick J. McIntosh. Journal of African Archaeology 4 (2): 357-359

2004-- Smith ME. Review of: Maya Palaces and Elite Residences: An Interdisciplinary Approach, edited by Jessica Christie. Journal of Anthropological Research 60: 311-312.

2003-- Smith ME. Review of: Teotihuacan: cerámica, cronología y tendencias culturales / Ceramics, Chronology and Cultural Trends, by Evelyn C. Rattray. Journal of the Royal Anthropological Institute 9:575-576.

2003-- Smith ME. Book note on: Feasts: Archaeological and Ethnographic Perspectives on Food, Politics, and Power, edited by Michael Dietler and Brian Hayden. Latin American Antiquity 14:94.

2002-- Smith ME. Review of: Time, History, and Belief in Aztec and Colonial Mexico, by Ross Hassig. Endeavor 26 (1): 35-36 ( London).

2002-- Smith ME. Review of: The Tenochca Empire of Central Mexico, by Pedro Carrasco. Ethnohistory 49:451-453.

Smith ME. 2001 Review of: Function and Meaning in Classic Maya Architecture, edited by Stephen D. Houston. Latin American Antiquity 11: 205-206.

Smith ME. 2001 Book note on: City of Sacrifice: The Aztec Empire and The Role of Violence in Civilization, by Davíd Carrasco. Religious Studies Review (presumably published; citation data unknown).

Smith ME. 2000 Review of: Ancient Oaxaca, by Richard E. Blanton, et al. Journal of the Royal Anthropological Institute 6: 326.

Smith ME. 1997 Review of: Caciques and Their People, edited by Joyce Marcus and Judith Zeitlin. Ethnohistory 44: 176-177.

Smith ME. 1993 Review of: Ancient Trade and Tribute: Economies of the Soconusco Region of Mesoamerica, edited by Barbara Voorhies. American Antiquity 58: 766.

Smith ME. 1993 Review of: Mesoamerican Elites, edited by Diane Chase and Arlen Chase. American Anthropologist 95: 751-752.

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Encyclopedia Entries (incomplete list):

Smith ME. n.d. Aztec City Planning. To appear in: Encyclopedia of the History of Science, Technology, and Medicine in Non-Western Culture, ed. by Selin H., revised internet edition. Kluwer Academic Publishers, Dordrecht. This is a greatly expanded version of my entry in the first edition.

2005-- Smith ME. Motecuhzoma II. The Berkshire Encyclopedia of World History, edited by William H. McNeill. pp. 1302-1303 Berkshire Publishers, Great Barrington, MA.

2005-- Smith ME. Trading Patterns, Ancient American. The Berkshire Encyclopedia of World History. ed.. McNeill WH. pp. 1848-1852 Berkshire Publishers, Great Barrington, MA.

2003-- Smith ME. American Indian Economies: General Overview. In The Oxford Encyclopedia of Economic History, ed. J Mokyr, pp. 108-10. New York: Oxford University Press.

2001-- Smith, Michael E. Urbanization. In The Oxford Encyclopedia of Mesoamerican Cultures: The Civilizations of Mexico and Central America, edited by Davíd Carrasco, pp. 290-294. vol. 3. Oxford University Press, New York.

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Non-Peer Reviewed and Miscellaneous Publications:

2005-- Smith ME. Masterworks, The Aztec Empire (Art and Culture). Veranda Magazine, Jan-Feb 2005: 36-46.

2004-- Smith ME. Aztec Materials in Museum Collections: Some Frustrations of a Field Archaeologist. Nahua Newsletter 38: 21-8

Smith, ME. 2005. Los materiales arqueológicos de Calixtlahuaca y la sociedad posclásica de Matlatzinco. Paper presented at the VII Coloquio Internacional sobre Otopames, El Colegio Mexiquense, Toluca, Mexico.

Smith ME. 2004b Reply to Offner. Nahua Newsletter 37:18-19.

Smith ME. 2003a. Postclassic Urbanism at Calixtlahuaca: Reconstructing the Unpublished Excavations of José García Payón: Report to the Foundation for the Advancement of Mesoamerican Studies, Inc. Posted on the internet at: http://www.famsi.org/reports/01024/

Smith ME. 2003b Comments on the Historicity of Topiltzin Quetzalcoatl, Tollan, and the Toltecs. Nahua Newsletter 36: 31-36.

Smith ME.Wharton J. 2003 Aztec-Style Pitcher from a Late Postclassic Burial Offering in Morelos. Mexicon 25:2-3.

Smith ME. 1997. Life in the Provinces of the Aztec Empire. Scientific American 277: 56-63

Smith ME. 1997 Working Together: Archaeology in the Middle of Political Conflict in Yautepec, Mexico. SAA Bulletin 15(4), September 1997, pp. 12-14 (Society for American Archaeology).

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Books and Edited Volumes:

Smith, ME. 2008 Aztec City-State Capitals. Book in the series "Ancient Cities of the New World," University Press of Florida. Due out in June, 2008.

Smith ME. 2008 Tlahuica Ceramics: The Aztec-Period Ceramics of Morelos, Mexico. Mesoamerican Monographs, no. 15. Institute for Mesoamerican Studies. (in press)

Smith ME & Berdan F.F. 2003 The Postclassic Mesoamerican World, . University of Utah Press, Salt Lake City. {Available at Amazon.com} Select chapters available as pdf files here.

Smith ME. 2003 The Aztecs. 2nd edition. Blackwell Press, Oxford.{Available at Amazon.com}

Smith ME. Masson. MA. 2000 The Ancient Civilizations of Mesoamerica: A Reader, Blackwell Publishers, Oxford.{Available at Amazon.com}

Smith ME. 1996 The Aztecs. Blackwell Publishers, Oxford. (paperback edition, 1998).

Berdan FF. Blanton R. Boone E. Hodge MG. Smith ME & Umberger E.1996 Aztec Imperial Strategies, Dumbarton Oaks, Washington, DC.{Available at Amazon.com}

Smith ME & Hodge MG. 1994 Economies and Polities in the Aztec Realm. Institute for Mesoamerican Studies, Albany.{Available through the Institute for Mesoamerican Studies}

Smith ME. 1992 Archaeological Research at Aztec-Period Rural Sites in Morelos, Mexico. Volume 1, Excavations and Architecture / Investigaciones Arqueológicas en Sitios Rurales de la Epoca Azteca en Morelos, Tomo 1, Excavaciones y Arquitectura. Memoirs in Latin American Archaeology, no. 4. University of Pittsburgh.

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Not having any knowledge of your own volume of work, I must assume from your comments that you feel you are the equal of Dr. Smith, perhaps even his superior.

As I have mentioned before, I am only a fan of history and not a scholar. I have no formal training........whatsoever.

Thanks for your reply,

Joe Ribaudo

[Joe Ribaudo]

Pip,

"lol...hate to break it to you Joe...Dr. Smith is a Marxist...lolol"


Other than your own accusation, which is not backed up by anything on Dr. Smith's site, can you show one (1) piece of credible evidence that even hints that the man is a Marxist? Do you feel that everyone who studies and writes about anthropology is a Marxist? I have studied and written about the Peterson family. Does that make me a Peterson?

Just trying to find some kind of logical reasoning in your posts.

Joe Ribaudo

[pippinwhitepaws]

laz, critter....someone is just attempting ...

Marxism is the basis of most anthropology at this point in time....
who made the object..who used the object...who controlled the resources...these three points allow one to study the cultural focus of ancient civilizations....any freshman in any college learns this just getting the required classes out of the way....until Marx...anthropologists were just historians who dug around in the dirt ruining future studies of the site.

arguing with smoke...

i made a mistake..typed one word twice...wow...got me flatfooted...oh woe is me...

lol....smith is a Marxist because, Marx was the economic theorist who gave anthropology the tools it needed to be called a science. mr. smith uses these tools...

Marxist feminist ever heard the term?

i guess from your post you believe marx was a russian?


duh.

[pippinwhitepaws]

historiography is the study of historians and their methods.