Lost Dutchman Goldmine

Alan: While the existence of old stone walls or other structures may be good clues to a treasure seeker,it is not likely that treasure of the kind you describe would be found on site. Laws,such as those posted by Joe,were written to protect archaeological sites from harm done by those looking for ar...

Alan: "You may be right but I would bet that it would be tied up in the courts for a decade." Only if the discovery was publicized. :wink: But if the finder claimed to have followed only a document or drawing of indeterminate origin. Or the Stone Crosses....which might interest Mike Bilbre...

Has anyone considered the possibility that the Tumlinson family are just now admitting that travis carved the stones in order to make a legitamite claim to anthing that may be recovered in the future as a result of the information on the tablets ? 8O The evidence for travis having carved any of the...

Joe: Although I've never given it much thought,I can't say that I would consider Travis to have been blessed with anything more than average intelligence. Even a person of normal abilities and wisdom would realize that he could not create such art in public one day,then try to present it or sell it ...

Joe: I've given two possible reasons for both the inclusion of SANTAFE and the fact that ,on the stone,it is carved as a single word,rather than as two. Do you then,include yourself among the first group I mentioned,in reading the SANTAFE as being Santa Fe ? Why would Travis combine the two words in...

Azmula: My previous post was only intended to help in keeping your topic on track and to encourage the continuing exchange of thoughts regarding what was published in your article,including those parts of your theory shared within.I'd rather personalities and past differences did not get in the way ...

Garry: Just a short answer..not much time. I have never tried to find which are the earliest references to Jesuit wealth or treasure, but we do know the the suspicions of such predate the expulsions and suppressions. While the Franciscans may have accumulated wealth as well,even in Arizona,they were...

Joe: I prefer to think of "SANTAFE",as it appears in both places on the Horse Stone,to have been carved to mislead those who would naturally associate the word with Santa Fe,NM. For those who read the carving as SANTA-FE,there are two other cities of the same name to the south,of which the...

Evidence included within the documents which Garry provided on his site indicated a rift which had appeared between Travis and his uncle Robert. The root cause of the dispute being his uncle's use of the maps to search for and discover a cache of items related to the maps,this having been done witho...

Azmula: Considering the points which I have made in my post at the top of page 10,I am inclined to place more value on what was said and recorded by those involved with Travis at the time,than with what his relatives remember or care to say to a treasure hunter/researcher/writer 45 to 60 years later...

Azmula: Gary has made an amazing effort to collect and publish a great deal of documentation related to the history of the Stone Map collection which is currently on display at the SMHS Museum. This collection covers the timeline, from Travis's "discovery" of the stones until the surrender...

All, Just a note: I never said that the three emails in the article were the only emails I received. I am still in touch with the family. Or that I never sent a list of questions to the Family similar to the list of questions generated here. azmula Azmula: Do any of the other e-mails, or answers to...

Wayne, It was a common practice to bury priests beneath the altars of church's. One rather famous such burial was Saint Ignatius of Loyola. Take care, Joe And Kino as well...http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=897&dat=19541217&id=7OcKAAAAIBAJ&sjid=CVADAAAAIBAJ&pg=4468,1202534 Not ...

Azmula: In your article,you reiterate your theory regarding the "first" post-fabrication discovery of the Map Stones. "The two red stone maps came from the Jesuit Church in Arizpe, Sonora. The red stone slabs were used as flooring over the graves near the altar in the church. The red ...

Two of the three e-mails published within Azmula's article reveal both past and current public position of Tumlinson family members relating to the history of Travis' grandfather, John J. "PegLeg" Tumlinson . In the second of the three,dated July 5,2009 ,the respondent (quoting the words o...

One last quote from the e-mails,about the number of "maps". In order to carve two maps on opposite sides of a single stone,Travis would have only required one stone. In order to carve all of the maps,the four which make up the entire set of "Stone Maps",Travis would have needed m...

My questions regarding the location and date of the photos published in the article,and forwarded to the family were intended to help me determine which set of maps appear in your photos. The first paragraph in the article informs the reader of the arrival and unveiling of what the SMHS museum has c...

Joe: Photos shot under studio lighting,while they may give good results,are not what I had in mind. Photos taken under lighting such as that which would have existed while Travis was witnessed carving the stones, is what I was thinking of.As your studio photos demonstrate,different lighting causes p...

Azmula: The colors of the "original" or "true" maps has been a matter previously discussed. As has the existence,it seems,of several sets of copies which vary in both size and colour. Depending on the lighting source,as well as which set of maps various people have seen,there see...

There are other details of the family account which do,or should prompt further discussion. For example: Azmula,Gary,Mike: Given the report done by Desert Archaeology Inc.,which clearly stated the stones had been carved using modern power tools (drill,dremel,and sanding machinery). And since all of ...

:lol: Ok...here's what I see: Joe and Azmula: I have copied and pasted those passages from the e-mails which,to me at least,indicate that the relatives you corresponded with remember Travis working on more than one stone map.That they are talking about at least the three map stones seems obvious. &q...

Azmula:

I have some observations to make,but will need to quote portions of several e-mails used in your article.Do you mind?

Regards:Wayne

Mike and Joe: While further exchanges of documentation and our opinions as to the reasons for the Jesuit expulsion may be interesting,it's not likely to add much to the topic at hand.I would much prefer to hear more of what Azmula,the author has to say about his findings,as revealed in the article. ...

Joe: Google it... :idea: From the study: Structural Problems Among the factors that hastened the decline of the missions after the expulsion were structural problems inherited from the Jesuit system. Liberal criticism of the eighteenth century blamed the Jesuits for having imposed (where feasible) a...

Joe:

There are many today who subscribe to the same school of thought.
They call themselves "progressives".

Regards:Wayne