Lost Dutchman Goldmine

I missed copying the two quotes referring to the trade restrictions. They should have appeared ahead of the quote in my last post,which was meant to show that the "Secular Church" ,and I presume the Pope as well,had some dispute with the way the Jesuits were operating. From the chapter tit...

Joe: The question you have asked relates to the circumstances of the expulsion,rather than the historical activities of the Jesuits as noted by Azmula.The answer to which we three all know. For those who may not,these two references should give some explanation: http://sites.maxwell.syr.edu/clag/yea...

Jalidi: If you adjust the slide to between 5-6 pm,it will give a better indication of sunset shadow during the nov-mar period when JW probably spent time out there. Twenty years should give you plenty of time to filter what information is and will be available.Heck,it might still be there when you f...

Azmula: That the Jesuits were among those involved,I have no doubt whatsoever. I suspect they had also been,for some time,overstepping the authorization granted to them..."orders" if you will...by the Church of Rome,in matters both spiritual and commercial. In doing so they may have become...

Joe:

I can imagine how uncomfortable you must be,wearing your "panties in a twist".
The comment was really meant for Azmula,but thanks for your input.

Regards:Wayne

Azmula: Although I do disagree with your conclusions regarding the H/P Stone,I will certainly concede that what has long been assumed to be a trail...the dotted line...may in fact not be a "trail" at all.I have several reasons both theoretical and practical for this more recent line of rea...

jalidi: Your first post shows wisdom well beyond your level of experience. Especially your comment regarding Google Earth. :) G/E is no substitute for being there !! Much of what you see on G/E is impassable,as are most of the "treasure trails" proposed by G/E hikers. I too,believe that di...

Azmula: I would also be interested in hearing your thoughts and theories,although they may differ from my own regarding the Stone Maps.I will make no demands for sources,knowing that some need to be kept confidential for good reason.I may however,question the validity of your conclusions from time t...

Pip:
Sometimes it's like trying to teach s#x-ed in a cat house.

Pip: TB was likely several things.A waypoint,a rendezvous location and a headquarters/work camp. Maybe not all at the same time,but with wood and water and Pima veggies nearby,the logistics make sense.Lots of mineral rich mountains in several directions as well,including the areas and mines you ment...

On Zuniga..

http://www.statemuseum.arizona.edu/exhi ... ndex.shtml

Regards:SH.

http://www.archaeologysouthwest.org/pdf ... 12-no3.pdf

Regards:SH

Sendit:

Sounds similar to what Ron Eagle wrote back in 2009.

http://www.territorialnewspapers.com/ar ... age-03.pdf
and
http://www.territorialnewspapers.com/ar ... age-14.pdf

an interesting story.

Regards:SH.

The Shadow Wolves have been busy for some time. I wonder what will be said by the media in Arizona ? Maybe they don't want to talk about them... http://www.smh.com.au/world/shadow-wolves-the-worlds-best--hunters-of-humans-20111227-1pb7a.html http://bonfiresblog.wordpress.com/2010/07/30/meet-the-shad...

Filling Station at Florence Junction about 1935.

Pip: While the peak or top of the ridgeline might be a good place for an observation post,I would think that a location on the flats,closer to Queen Creek and water, would be more likely to have any ruins of a visita.A map from 1747 shows a visita ...St.Fernando...near by the confluence of the San P...

Pip: It would be nice to know more about the history of the area. An old military map of 1850 shows an "Indian" trail from Maricopa Wells passing through and entering the Sups.On that map,it passes through a valley called "Mission Valley".Could this be a former name for the Queen...

I don't have a problem with the probability that the H/P Stone was made by a different set of hands.For me,it makes sense that this would have been the case,and the timeline which I have been working with would have made it impossible for a single person to carve all of the various stones.Or even to...

Pip: Yes,a visit to the discovery site is a must for those who might see the story as mostly true. There is a lot more to be seen than a bunch of holes in the ground.I noticed a couple of things last time, that I want to have a closer look at when I get the chance to go back. My previous post was to...

Ben: The history of both Marguerite Brunswig Staude and her chapel is well represented here: http://www.gatewaytosedona.com/article/id/83/page/1 Got no idea where you came up with the revisions,but according to the history,Sedona was only one of many possible locations. " Staude investigated ma...

Pip: Well,it's often said.."Truth is stranger than fiction" Bet most of them coffee drinkin players, when they heard the news, looked at each other and said....."NO WAY !!" Then went back to sharing information about where each player thought that old Lost Dutchman Mine really wa...

Roy: Although I am not Catholic,I have never considered the figure on the H/P Stone to be a "witch".The Cross symbology alone was enough to position my often expressed opinion opposite of those,including the PHD's at Desert Archaeology and possibly Fr.Polzer SJ.(His published comments I ha...

Roy: Rather than "generically catholic",I see them as generically Christian. While researching such "Raampa secret symbols" may be entertaining,I doubt any solution derived by using them would make much sense.If one of the principals suspected of carving the maps was found to hav...

Randy:
A complete (whole) horse is what appears on the Horse/Priest Stone Map.
A horse head (only) is shown on a couple of the LDM maps.
Some folks seem to confuse the two.

Regards:Wayne

Roy: The lack of a "Prominent" identifier is exactly the problem. Without the existence of a standalone Christogram,such as IHS/JHS or of the acronym OFM,it is impossible to credit any particular person or group with the creation of the stones.As letters incorporated within the carvings,an...