Lost Dutchman Goldmine

Two blondes are reading a headline:

"Two Brazilian Soldiers Killed".

After a few minutes, one says to the other, "How many is a brazilian?"

Greg Davis wrote a good article about just such a landmark in the latest SMHS Journal. A good read, if you haven't already seen it.

Zen, Excuse my responding in the open forum. Yes, the Ramses book is very good. But his take is that the LDM, or whatever mine the Perfil Mapa is indicating, is not in the Superstitions at all but rather on the Res at Red Mountain. But it's a well written, nicely produced, very poignent account of R...

I wonder if that was the origin of the German Clues, at least in part? -Wiz Highly unlikely Wiz since the younger Hatt never saw the clues in their German form if he ever did see them at all. Well, I didn't think Jim Hatt was the source of the GC, but who knows what rounds the letter, or copies of ...

Yes indeedy! So, if Rhiney wrote the letter and filled it with clues to entice Hermann and Gottfried to come to Arizona, I wonder how much embelleshment was added to make it sound more attractive? And, back to SC's question, I wonder if that was the origin of the German Clues, at least in part? Wooh...

TGH, (lol) Well, I know that, but one of them (I think Barnard) printed a letter written by Herman in which he swears the name was Waltzer. One wonders why he would bother writing such a letter, unless he was one of those guys that just won't admit to being mistaken. (Maybe pig-headedness is a requi...

Bob Garmin and Barney Barnard both said that Herman insisted Waltz's name was actually "Waltzer". Herman also apparently said he knew Waltz, although he couldn't have. If this pronunciation was a result of a German accent, it seems like Herman would know that, and realize the name was real...

Say, this forum really IS picking up some steam now! There's been more interesting exchange of ideas here in the last few days than in the preceding several months. It's getting fun again!

Redison, It could well be that the Petrasches just didn't like Holmes, for reasons of their own. Maybe when Holmes tried to bury the hatchet, they thought he was sucking up to them. I think TGH is right on target - Edwards and Roberts were a camp of their own. If Herman passed the GC to Edwards and ...

redison wrote:His favorite quick snack I know is beenie-weenies right from the can. I have seen him eat them for breakfast out there. Yuk! lol

Killer Beenie weenies! (Especially later).

If I see bees around a water source I check to see how I am accepted by them and if they are aggresive I back off and go another way That reminds me. I recall seeing (I don't remember where) that bees getting water won't attack. Once I was out of water, and I found a small pool covered with bees. I...

I know that such a threat exists, but even killer bees, as aggressive as they are, will generally ignore humans unless provoked. Laz, You can't count on that. I've been attacked by Africanized bees on two occasions for no more reason than I was passing nearby. The little bastards just swarm you, an...

Zen, The only reference I've ever seen to the "Black Legion", other than on this site, is in Estee Conatser's book. And, IIRC, all she says is something like "And what about the stories about the 'Black Legion', who guard the secret gold blah blah..." No actual info or sources. N...

Jan,
That's an interesting drawing. What do all the Latin words mean? I think "fornix" is furnace; "triangulum" is triangle; does "noto" mean north?
I can imagine a furnace in the vicinity of a mining operation, but a triangle??
What about the other words?

Excellent post, Jan! I haven't pursued the stone maps much, but I can't help but notice that everyone who really looks into the subject comes away a believer. The naysayers seem to be in the same camp as those who say the LDM doesn't exist - that is, they haven't really looked into it. I don't have ...

Zen,
I must have missed your inane and stupid questions. My impression is that you're one of the only folks here actually talking about the LDM.

CU and Jesuit, Am I misunderstanding here, or are you guys basically agreeing on the Jesuits possibly having treasure stashed? To say that the evidence says there is no Jesuit treasure hidden, violates Dr. Glover's "test of wrongness"; that is, how could such a statement ever be proved? Th...

What bothers me most is Waltz gave directions to the mine in kilometers... Zen, Are you making a reference here to the "German Clues"? Seems to me there were some metric directions there that spawned a lot of discussion here. A floating mine isn't out of the question. After all: a) You ca...

zentull wrote:Are the 41 questions that Jim Bark asked Petrasch in any of the versions of the notes or have they been published in complete form?

Not that I've ever seen. It would be interesting to see them!

Well spoken, James.

Late49er,

I was rereading this thread. Are you saying that you have actually found and entered a cave on Black Top Mesa that was concealed by a pivot stone, and travelled through a hidden cave system in that mountain? Or just suggesting that it may be there?

Don't feel too bad, Zen. Everyone has f***ed up like that. I once had a Babe Ruth baseball card, and a copy of Spider Man #1. I have no idea what happened to the card, but I sold the comic (plus about 400 others of the same vintage) for $16 when I was broke. I know, nothing to do with the LDM, but I...

i found the following post in the old forum...does anyone know for sure if barry storm got 28 ozs out of the mountains>?..if so what area did he find it? Hi Dave, Since nobody has really responded to your actual question; In my copy of Thunder God's Gold (the 1945 edition), Storm shows a picture of...

Thank you, Doctor, I look forward to an comparison session.

Hello folks Go to Member Archive view the photo (taken on Black Top Mesa) of the rock with J WALTZ and date (1888) carved on it. buscar :) I've seen that rock. One can just imagine the 78-year-old Waltz climbing up Black Top, clinging to the side of the mesa, and scratching his name and the date on...