Lost Dutchman Goldmine

Yes, well spoken. Insincere words spoken well have a hollow ring, though. Wiz, You know I have trouble with the large words you use. If you keep them around three or four letters, I should have no problems. :) Doubtful. "Now, suddenly", You want to warn me that someone might cause trouble....

Unbelievable. I speak plain, simple english, and he hears something completely different. A monkey wrench! If my word of caution causes a monkey wrench to be thrown into this trip, you shouldn't be out camping in the first place. And if you read everything as foolishly as you have read my messages, ...

Hi Mr. B, and welcome The Superstition Mountain Museum has some good maps (the Beartooth map is a must-have). Wide World of Maps has all the topo maps for the Superstitions (there are 8 of them). The Phoenix Library on McDowell has a copy of the Stirrat map that has some of the old trails marked tha...

For those who don't know what the above is about, I sent the following PM to Joe a couple of days ago: --------- "I'm sure this has already occurred to you, but... The location of your campsite is known, and several respectable forum members will be there. And now, the insane Wyatt has expresse...

Good news, Greg, thanks! Looking forward to it!

A friend and I found a claim marker in a shallow cave on the top northwest slope of the mountain a few years ago. Can't recall off the top of my head what the name of the claim was. We were travelling fast and didn't spend a lot of time looking for the dig, if there even is one. As it turns out we w...

What I'd like to know is how the heck did I get dragged into all this? This thread was four pages long before I ever even saw it. Who else am I supposed to be here? Dave: I may not use my real name, but Wiz is the only one I've ever used here since the new format started in 2002 or whenever it was. ...

TGH wrote:Redison and Wiz make some valid points.

Whoops! I just got here. I'm not sure what valid points I made, but this is certainly an interesting thread.

Hi Greg,

Looking forward to the 2004 Journal - any news or ETA?

Hello Dr. Glover, You didn't specify LDM, but rather "lost mines attributed Jacob Waltz". I'm not near my references so I can't check, but would one of them be in the Bradshaws? My memory is undoubtedly faulty, but I think he had the General Grant mine, whose location is now unknown. Then,...

S.C., There are also the possibilities that Julia's claim against Dick Holmes was not given a fair hearing because A) she was a black woman. This may have been a liability for her, given the times; B) she was known to be eccentric, with all the powder-burning and strange pseudo-religious activity. T...

Joe Ribaudo wrote:Funny how people without a clue, all seem to believe they can fool everyone else in the world, or in this case, on this forum. His only fans were Peter, Wiz, and a few others that he created himself.

Ah, Ribaudo must be bored. He's trying to start a fight with me again.

This from the Sierra Club: 'Persons who search for "treasure" or gold or the Lost Dutchman mine are living inside a grand delusion. All gold is fool's gold. ' Here is the link to the full commentary: http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/opinions/articles/0521satlets2-212.html One of y...

Wiz, When you say: "... there's only one day between being 28 and 29." How do you mean that as it applies to the discussion? Dr. G, Much as I hate agreeing with Joe on anything, he is correct as to my meaning. Waltz could have turned 29 the following week, which would put his birth back i...

The Ville De Lyon Jacob Waltz has also been checked into by several over the years and is possibility, but the years don’t match exactly. On the Ville De Lyon list Waltz is listed as 28 years old in 1839. ...Until we at least know Waltz’s birth month the New York entry is just another possibility t...

I wonder what it is about the Superstitions that elicit these kinds of stories? Maybe just the name. Are these people nuts, or is there really something there? It's funny that two different accounts have the staircase going deep into the earth. Following the path of Arne Saknussum, undoubtedly. Ron ...

This should be a whole topic in itself!

Aurum, what you describe sounds a lot like the Bushido of the Samurai. It's interesting that this same sort of philosophy should surface in such disparate cultures. The main link seems to be that both were among the mightiest warriors ever known.

Bill, I'd be surprised if Peter is even paying any attention to this forum any more.

Was this what you saw?

http://www.ajpl.org/superstition/1idd.htm

Gene,
We're all sorry to see you go and will miss you. If I'm not out of line, may I ask why you have to unplug the computer after April 31? If you're moving from Georgia, couldn't you rejoin us from wherever you're going?
Either way, Godspeed to you. And thank you for the great book.
- Wiz

Grayhair,

Check your PM.

Redison

Why not just spit it out?

n33 25.57 Es thut kein Gang so gut Er hat einen eisernen Hut old German mining proverb. no miner will find his mine. Perhaps because it is too simple Well, I don't speak German, but according to Alta Vista Babel Fish, the above translates to: "It does not thut a course so well it has an iron h...

Steve,
I consider you to be the voice of authority on this matter.
Thanks for your balanced view, this discussion has been getting kind of "out there".

The Draft , even if authentic has a limited value or purpose within certain boundaries. Assuming for a moment that it is authentic; What value or purpose would it then have? It does not put anyone closer to the location of the LDM. It provides nothing in the way of verification of the fact that Jac...