Lost Dutchman Goldmine

Hmm. Well, the BAI's tick eradication program involved dipping cattle in a solution of petroleum and arsenic. Now if we could figure out the manganese angle we'd have this about wrapped up!

Hello All: Here is the 1900 USGS map for Texas and Eastern New Mexico from the Texas State Library Collection: http://www.tsl.state.tx.us/arc/maps/images/map7054a.jpg This map is alot better than anything I have and more accessible to everyone. There are other maps at the parent web site and they ar...

Cubfan: If anybody would have known where to point us, it should have been the library. Good idea on checking with them. I will keep looking for more info as time allows. I'm still trying to grapple with the employment chronology that novice provided but nothing has jumped off the pages yet. Joe: Th...

Okay Joe, I'll bite. Which mountains?

I could find no inkling that there was any mineralization in that area. No lost treasure stories, etc. The Guadalupe Mountains are still a long ways away and even there, it's not gold country?????? Out of all the digging the past couple of days I finally found a reference to southeast New Mexico re...

Novice: Thanks for explaining about the census numbers. I was citing the total township/district numbers for Jal and Ochoa. I don’t have a membership at ancestry.com so could not go through the records line by line. I agree that it is doubtful that Adolph would be doing field work without there bein...

Cubfan: You are absolutely right and I should have mentioned that. Adolph may have known absolute population numbers because he was writing from the area as Joe proposed. It really comes down to two possible scenarios. He was writing from there or getting ready to go. If he was writing from there, I...

Novice: Thanks for archiving the employment chronology on your web page. It's a big help and eliminates a lot of guess-work. It must have been a major undertaking to go through all of those records and get it into its present form! All: I don’t see anything in the employment chronology that can be p...

All: Headquarters sounds like a term that a government worker would use. Does anybody know if Adolph Ruth did field work while he was a meat inspector for the Department of Agriculture in KC (1916-1918) or Richmond, VA (1918-1924)? Since the Jal/Ochoa area's economy was primarily based on ranching d...

Joe:

The area around Jal is relatively flat at about 3000 feet ASL, which was the reason I surmised he hadn't made it there yet. Guess I'm reading to much into the partial letter.

Larry

Novice, Cubfan, and Joe: "Regen arm" is a German phrase which translates to "with little rain; with low rainfall; dry". I believe that is what Adolph was referring to in his note, rather that the name of a region. That would certainly apply to the area aroun Jal and Ochoa. Also, ...

Disregard. I'll try another day.

pippinwhitepaws: Hopefully, this will work (both my post and the link). I think I finally found the image you were trying to link to. Is this it? http://cartweb.geography.ua.edu:9001/StyleServer/calcrgn?cat=North%20America%20and%20United%20States&item=States/Arizona/Arizona1912a.sid&wid=500&...

Losing my posts for some reason. This is a test post.

pippinwhitepaws: I seem to be losing my posts for some reason. Sorry 'bout the previous two posts. I think I finally found the image you were trying to link to. Is this it? http://cartweb.geography.ua.edu:9001/StyleServer/calcrgn?cat=North%20America%20and%20United%20States&item=States/Arizona/Ar...

pippinwhitepaws: Sorry about the last post. Don't know what happened there. I think I finally found the image you were trying to link to. Is this it? http://cartweb.geography.ua.edu:9001/StyleServer/calcrgn?cat=North%20America%20and%20United%20States&item=States/Arizona/Arizona1912a.sid&wid=...

pippinwhitepaws: I think I finally found the image you were trying to link to. Hope this works. http://cartweb.geography.ua.edu:9001/StyleServer/calcrgn?cat=North%20America%20and%20United%20States&item=States/Arizona/Arizona1912a.sid&wid=500&hei=400&props=item(Name,Description),cat(N...

pippinwhitepaws: The Kollenborn article on Bark was one of the documents I read when trying to figure out the Bark and Waltz timelines, to see if there was enough of an overlap in their time in the mountains. I still don't see it, but that doesn't mean much. Thanks for the reply. I fully agree with ...

pippinwhitepaws:

I am having a hard time reconciling the timelines for Waltz and Bark to be playing a game of cat and mouse in the mountains. Is there a book or author you could recommend for me that would help me understand?

Larry

After re-reading Ely, Glover, the Bark Notes, and Steve Creager's note to Joe, my guess is the mine was still lost during Bark's lifetime. I believe Aylor and DeGraffenried were pawns in a grand scheme. They may or may not have known that what they stole when they "violated Spangler's trust&quo...

Joe: I agree its possible Spangler had more than met the eye on the trip into the mountains with Aylor and DeGraffenreid. At that point, Spangler had already been using the entire Bark collection for a minimum of 16 years (and probably longer than that). If he had gone to the trouble of packing in t...

Without getting into the whole discussion about what constitutes a version of a document (I don't think there would ever be a consensus), there are two other points in Steve Creager's note to Joe that I'd like to address. First, that there were both controlled and uncontrolled releases of Bark's pub...

No replies, so I'll start guessing:

Corbin Version (Partial)
Probert Version (Annotated)
Aylor Version
Al Reser Version

If I am right, that leaves two other versions. Anybody want to chip in?

Joe:

Is there some way we can name or otherwise identify the six versions of the Bark Notes?

Larry

pippinwhitepaws: Point taken about Nuremburg and My Lai. You could also add incidents from every war beginning with the revolution. It's bad business. I never fired a shot in anger or in fear, but I can say that when the outer doors are open there is an instant when you ask yourself, if the situatio...