Lost Dutchman Goldmine

Joe

Cant wait till I become a "senior". This way I will have an excuse if I say something silly.

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>>I believe in spirits. I just have no reason to believe the spirits are angry with me.<<

Well done Laz. Glad to see you were able to figure out what I was talking about.

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Joe I am not too sure where my dramatic "veiled threat to stay out of the entire range" came from. My apologies. Seems that discussing the non-corporeal (and I specifically defined NON-CORPOREAL in my post because I knew you would get yourself worked up into hysterics) world has made you b...

>>NOW PETER; If you really believe that clap trap about indians being afraid of some big curse from showing a white man a mine, YOU are hurting. An indian would more likely tobe afraid of some hate monger dropping some poison into his coffee or a shot in the dark than any curse.<< I am somewhat reli...

Folks,

Actually, over the last couple of weeks there seems to have been a jailbreak at the local nuthouse..and they seem to have made a beeline to this forum. Best to just put them on IGNORE. Silence is usually the best way to handle this.

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Bill711

Sorry Bill, I will have to pass. I am of the time-honored opinion that no Indeh (that indeed knew where a "mine" was located) would show an Indah (no matter how friendly) a "mine".

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Bill711, Busca is a Spanish word. Roughly translated it means "good ahead and look", or "search there". It's connotation almost always has to do with looking/searching for something. There are several tales out in LDM-land that tell of Amerindians bringing an Anglo friend near th...

Bill711, Ah, but you left out the most important fact...Once "Jim" gets to the mine area (quivering in fear no doubt because he is now "cursed"), looks across the "big canyon" and points..does he or does he not croak out the word "BUSCA!"...all the while point...

Bill

I did not "poo-poo" anything. I simply pointed out that the main elements in the story you told and the Thorne tale were remarkably similar.

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>>He doctored indian,s some times. He set a chief,s son,s leg. He said they were amazed that the boy lived that they usually died from broke bones. They knew what he looked for and before he left them they gave him several bag,s of gold ore. He asked them if they would show him the mine it came from...

The last of the Bronco Apache may have lingered as long as the mid-1930s in the Sierra Madres.

I have enough problems trying to unravel the tangled ball of twine that is The Dutchman. I think I will take a pass on the Tayopa subject.......

Roger, I think your 75' by 75' dimensions are off a tad. I have seen the "75 feet" clue in a couple of places, but I believe it refers to TWO SHAFTS that were 75' DISTANCE from each other. I imagine a 6x12 ( or 6x or 20 or 30) is more like it. Still, think of the effort just trying to dig ...

Aurum & co, For those of you folks interested, some of the works by Lonnie Underhill include: DR. PALMER'S EXPERIENCES WITH THE ARIZONA VOLUNTEERS, 1865-1866 (Arizona and the West...Spring 1984) pp 43-68 GENEALOGY RECORDS OF THE 1ST AZ VOLUNTEER INF REGIMENT (Roan Horse Press, 1980) A HISTORY OF...

Aurum, Thanks for the info. I have run into this Oscar Hutton fellow before. Seems that Oscar was a ferocious Indian fighter. One story I came across had him and a fellow "citizen" chase a group of Chokonnen purported to be lead by Cochise himself, down in the San Pedro Valley. Course it h...

Aurum,

Isnt this "Wm. Edwards" fella the same Edwards associated with a mine in the Superstitions and the finding of bones near the Massacre Grounds?

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>>Are you saying that you believe that the story of when the Peraltas found the LDM is better "evidence" than the Stone Maps, putting aside the opinion that you believe the maps are a hoax? << Nowhere in my post did I mention the family name "Peralta" or any "story" rel...

.....and Aaron Mason just happens to have a "Mason" jar with him... inside of which are a couple of names on a piece of scrap paper along with a few hundred dollars worth of rich looking ore.... Puzzled and excited they compare Mason's and Holmes' ore samples side by side and their collect...

Wouldnt it be interesting to be a fly on the wall and listen in if Dick Jr and Aaron Mason got together and decided to play "Dutchman's Poker"....using John Pipps, Joe Deering and Two Soldiers info as "chips"....

Now that would be something.

Knun

Heatwave now...9F. I might be out your way on a regular basis sooner or later. Always did like the heat.....

Now Wiz, Did you really think Old BS (you are the KING of figuring out excellent...and fitting... anagrams, BTW) wasnt pulling our legs a mite? You are, however, a gentleman for giving the loons the benefit of the doubt. Lovely weather here in NY. Woke up to 2 degrees and -15 if you factor the wind ...

>>One of these points deals with opinion and the other deals with science and physical evidence.<< I prefer to put my own Dutch Hunting faith in some of those who have gone before..and left their own legacy in the mountains. I respect their own "opinion" more so than the "scientists&q...

>>There is more interest in in the Stone Map topic than anything else I have seen here.<< Might be because we have a small number of Stone Map devotees with lots of time on their hands. Personally, I have yet to meet or chat with anyone (whom I consider to be knowledgeable about the LOST DUTCHMAN MI...

>>Are you saying that "logic dictates" that the Stone Maps could not have been created in the alloted "timeframe"? << Nope. My post had more to do with the timeframe that the LDM was found. >>Wouldn't logic dictate that the Stone Maps are the "best evidence" when compar...

Wiz & Co, If one reads Kenworthy's TREASURE SECRETS OF THE LOST DUTCHMAN or SPANISH MONUMENTS & TRAIL MARKERS TO TREASURE IN THE UNITED STATES, one comes away with the feeling that Kenworthy did his homework and knows what he is talking about. Until one digs a little beneath the surface. As ...

Folks, Since we are Merry Christmasing each other, I'd like to add an observation. Having recently returned home from a short trip to AZ I noticed a marked and welcome (from my point of view)difference in NY and AZ holiday greetings. In NY folks in stores and such wish one a "Happy Holiday"...