Lost Dutchman Goldmine

Joe: I received my copy of the second Crazy Jake manuscript in late 2008. I actually learned of the manuscript from a discussion that you were having with Peter back in 2004, which you can revisit at this link: http://www.thelostdutchmangoldmine.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=363&start=0&...

Hello Roger/All: I'm sorry for causing more confusion. I seem to be batting 1.000 on this topic so far, heh-heh. Regarding the use of the name "Silas" in my last post, that was actually just my editorial note, setting up the scene in which Crazy Jake and Al Morrow were talking that night i...

In light of the previous excerpt, the passage below by Crazy Jake seems a bit odd. [Note: In the spring of 1970, Crazy Jake visited Al Morrow in Al's camp and found that Al, having lost his financial backers, was out of food and broke, and had lost a lot of weight and was in generally poor shape. He...

Hello All: I need to apologize for not being more thorough in researching the Crazy Jake manuscripts for any mention of the John Kochera story. It turns out that Jake did include the April 1974 letter in his second manuscript, although he did not include either of the Haywood/Kochera maps. (Jake did...

Joe/All: I doubt the ore/gold concentrate is still in its original form, since a specific weight of the gold and silver is given in the line item (#10). The only way those values could have been determined would have been to totally separate out the gold and silver from the host rock. The gold, comi...

Joe: Helen Corbin was not explicit in the source for this particular line item (#10). However, the implication is that it (along with the other 9 items in the list) came from either the Roberts or Edwards family notes. Since the line item specifies the Crissmon and Nichols analysis (and even more sp...

Hello All: For those still looking into this thread, here's a little more information that ties into the report posted by Wasp. THE BIBLE ON THE LOST DUTCHMAN GOLD MINE AND JACOB WALTZ (Helen Corbin, Wolfe Publishing Company, 2002, page 289) Item #10 in the list entitled: "The following items h...

Hello Roger: It looks like you’ve had a chance to review some of the USGS models and you had some comments that I’d like to address: 1. The USGS has a number of published "models" on different types of ore deposits from across the U.S. Each of these models has a Model Number associated wit...

Hello All: In addition to sharing what he found on the purported author(s) of Wasp’s report, Garry has pointed out one of the dilemmas we face regarding it, and I too feel we are being left to ponder whether there is more to the story behind it. But as Garry also indicated, we appear to be on our ow...

Wasp: This is my understanding of the issues you have brought to the thread, and I hope you can clear up anything that I have wrong. Dick Holmes sold most of the Dutchman’s deathbed ore to Goldman & Co. This ore was later sold by the Goldman to other Phoenix families, at least one of whom had th...

Hello All: I revisited both Dr Glover’s second book and the SMHS rare reprint of the Brownie Holmes manuscript, and am certain that the matchbox was not mentioned in either copy. Brownie did mention the involvement of Joe Poterie in the following passage: “Some stories have been related at various t...

Garry: I don’t believe the matchbox is mentioned in Brownie’s manuscript, at least not in the rare reprint copy I bought from SMHS. I’ll need to reread it today and then revisit Dr Glover’s second book to see if it is mentioned there in some of his editorial comments. I’ll let you know if I run acro...

In his 1944 (?) manuscript, Brownie Holmes stated that he currently had in his possession: a pair of cufflinks, a tiepin, a “priceless” ring, and a number of pieces of quartz If the above date for the manuscript is accurate, Brownie’s mother, Ida Davis Holmes, had recently passed away (within the pr...

pippinwhitepaws/All: I don’t believe Garry’s intent was to illustrate the history of the mountains, but instead is to show the trail of Waltz’s ore based on the sources he cited, including Brownie’s affidavit, the affidavits of Tom Kollenborn and Bob Corbin, and the published details of the ore test...

Hello Roger: Well, I’m not even sure where to start. The family historian? Gideon? George Riley? The family farm? Matthew Robert’s relationship to the family? Family familiarity with Dick Holmes? With Jacob Waltz? The discovery of the richest gold mine in California, only to walk away from it for a ...

Exactly why is it that we can not resolve what either Glover or Corbin state about the Roberts Family?

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Hello All: The three red hills located east of the upper La Barge Box are mentioned in the Hiker’s Guide (page 179), but their exact position is not discussed, nor are they shown or annotated on any of the guide’s inset maps. This group of red hills has been mentioned as a candidate for the landmark...

(#60) Yesterday [Actual Date Unknown], 02:06 PM Joe_Ribaudo Garry, Larry, Curly and Moe, Frank Alkire did a lot of writing. I have two of the manuscripts which have been mentioned as possibly mentioning Jacob Waltz and the circumstances surrounding his death. In total I have four of the many Alkire...

(#59) 03-26-2009, 08:07 AM Joe_Ribaudo Subject: Late Fall...... Garry, You are correct. It was the "late fall" of 1890. My source is Frank's "....Little Lady...." manuscript. Should have waited until I was home to make that post. I have a copy of the hand written manuscript, as ...

(# Fifty-eight) 03-26-2009, 05:59 AM Novice Subject: Fall of 1891 Joe, I'm not able to identify your reference (I have probably never seen it?) but the date "in the late fall of 1891, Frank sent Asenath to California to be with family during her pregnancy" does not match with the birth of...

(#57) 03-25-2009, 02:25 PM Joe_Ribaudo Subject: Was He There..... All, In the "late fall" of 1891, Frank sent Asenath to California to be with family during her pregnancy. That would be after Waltz's death, probably in early to mid-December. Prior to that, he was very busy on the ranch. T...

(#56) 03-22-2009, 10:40 PM Joe_Ribaudo Subject: Correct.... Garry, You are, of course, correct. The 1900 Census shows two children living in the home. Josieh, age 9 and Ruth, age 1. The residence is listed as: Phoenix City (North of Washington, East of Center St.)......... I agree with your timelin...

(#55) 03-22-2009, 09:33 PM Novice Subject: Frank Alkire's Second Child Joe. You wrote: For the record, George Copes Alkire was that second child. He was born May 20, 1903. George was actually the 4th child. There were two daughter's born between Josiah (Jay) and George. Asenath (2nd), Ruby (3rd). B...