Lost Dutchman Goldmine

Thanks, I searched the internet and the only thing I came up with involved the Klu Klux Klan and some games. The season begins to unwind and I need food for thought when alls quiet.

Joe, I am not sure if your posting anywhere at this given time, but after searching the archives and doing a search on Black Legion, I get just vague references to the subject but nothing substantial. I was hoping you would follow up with something more or at least point me in the right direction. W...

Sorry Joe, This is the one topic I really can't believe in. I have posted before about the only Indians I have seen in the Superstitions were of the lost variety. If I do see some guys dressed in black hats carrying around gold, I will let you know. Of course I could also be a co conspirator trying ...

So let me see if I understand where this all started. The question actually pertains to the sites of the skull and remains and if they were moved and why? The fact that Corbin relates the Gassler story and it involves unsubstantiated stories by Barkley that appear to cast him it a bit of a dark ligh...

Sunday the 4th would be good as well as Saturday 17th, Sunday the 11th and Sunday the 18th. Whichever works best for you. Let me know. Sorry it took so long to get back. I have a pretty busy schedule right now.

However, it is credited to Hermann Petrasch. Passed on to William Edwards and George Roberts. It seems this was copied rather than done to refresh the clues. Perhaps notes from Matthew Roberts or Bertie Roberts ? Still I would think Hermann was as Americanized as Waltz. So was it done to legitamize ...

Joe, I found another note concerning 2 pits and I had it cross referenced with Jim Barks notes. "Helena and Rhiney said Jake told them that there were 2 pits at the mine about 75 feet deep and a like distance accross the top" I checked Barks notes and suddenly felt a little smarter. Not re...

I dont understand the reasons for all thats going on, but it is annoying that suddenly this board like so many others has this sort of problem. Joe is one of the few members who will actually respond to my inane and stupid questions, as well as Wiz and Dr Glover. Its not bad company I keep in my opi...

You would think Bark wrote down the answers as well as the 2nd time he had Petrasch write them down. Hard to believe the notes were preserved, but not the Q&A.

" Drei kilometers ron der quelle wirst du mein spitzfelson finden " Of course this could be a follow up to something else and mean 3 kilometers from the source of a spring or water or something entirely different, and there had to be a direction or trail of some sort to follow. Still the t...

Joe, What bothers me most is Waltz gave directions to the mine in kilometers, then in feet as to the size supposedly to both Thomas/Petrasch and Holmes ( Though completely different numbers). So I wonder if the distance was given in meters and estimated by Thomas and/or Petrasch or Waltz just said a...

Are the 41 questions that Jim Bark asked Petrasch in any of the versions of the notes or have they been published in complete form?

As far as original source material transmitted verbally we know the initial sources. However what of the maps that have appeared over time? Though many are reputed to be hoaxes, there are 2 sources we know of that are lost at least supposedly. Rhineys sketchbook drawings done possibly by Waltz and J...

Joe, Now that I have slept on it, I believe I was taking into consideration the distance I thought would be required for an operation this size and the space it would require. The Peraltas were not operating in secrecy if we believe there was a sizeable work force. The 150 was taking in account the ...

In my notes from last year I have 4 75s in the corners with 150 drawn between the upper 2 and a line trailing downward for the tunnel. I want to say I am mistaken and the 150 was thought as the minimal distance of the 2 pits, but I didn't draw it that way. I did this while passing the time mid day o...

I am checking the calender. Let you know in the next few days. It would be nice to post it just to see if anyone else would show up. However comparing views to replies, it seems doubtful. Saguaro Ranch park is south of Peoria on 51st avenue. There is a public library there as well as a number of old...

I always figured Waltz possibly meant 75 feet accross and 150 feet long as far as the ledge was concerned. Thomas and Petrasch most likely thought in english and Waltz thought in German which can always lead to 2 different things. If the Dutchman was on a football field sized area it could be everyo...

I would agree that at least one of us, if not more, have been within a stones throw. With so many different opinions of what each of us would expect to find, it would be realistic to say that we have been there without even knowing it. Since joining this board I have a different view now than ever b...

Yeah, but when someone else does its funny. When I do it becomes obsession. I did find a box of old comics yesterday while looking through boxes. In hindsight I wish I paid attention to the claims he made and so on. Now its a pretty sad story to relate to the kids because I am so clueless. I just wo...

Now that I have caught up on all the posts, I very seriously doubt you would get much of interest in this. At least its words and not bullets flying around. Yet. My suggestion, which will be ignored, will be pick a time and date at someplace like Saguaro park in Glendale and see who shows up. I once...

Just curious if anyone else has ever done anything this stupid. 10 years ago my wifes grandfather was moving and getting rid of a huge accumulation of stuff in his garage while moving to a retirement community. While clearing out his stuff I was given his fishing poles, some guns, some pans and misc...

I knew some guys that had bought some maps from a guy in the neighborhood back in the late seventies early eighties. Was Jake in the metro center area then? These guys went on about some maps and other stuff that they were sure was for real. They searched pretty steadily into the late eighties befor...

I kind of figured either Black top Mesa or Bluff Springs. So I would be looking north east or east as it pleases me. After all these years I still run across stuff I just didn't notice before. Every season I glass for deer I end up with a legal pad of cool looking places or anomalies that I want to ...

Ive been away from the computer for a while, but noticed some postings concerning Glenn Magill from a personal viewpoint which I found refreshing. I was wondering did he feel that he was still in the right general area of Bluff Springs years later or like so many dutch hunters started spreading out ...

I doubt most would be into it. I think we should head out to Joes at springbreak next year and watch the girls frolick in their bikinis. Those who wish to remain mysterious could stay out on the water in hoods and watch with binoculars.