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- Mon Feb 27, 2012 3:16 pm
- Forum: LDM Discussions
- Topic: THE GENUINE STONE MAPS
- Replies: 149
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Re: THE GENUINE STONE MAPS
I missed copying the two quotes referring to the trade restrictions. They should have appeared ahead of the quote in my last post,which was meant to show that the "Secular Church" ,and I presume the Pope as well,had some dispute with the way the Jesuits were operating. From the chapter tit...
- Mon Feb 27, 2012 2:46 pm
- Forum: LDM Discussions
- Topic: THE GENUINE STONE MAPS
- Replies: 149
- Views: 296948
Re: THE GENUINE STONE MAPS
Joe: The question you have asked relates to the circumstances of the expulsion,rather than the historical activities of the Jesuits as noted by Azmula.The answer to which we three all know. For those who may not,these two references should give some explanation: http://sites.maxwell.syr.edu/clag/yea...
- Sat Feb 25, 2012 6:49 pm
- Forum: LDM Discussions
- Topic: The Lost Dutchman Mine: Does it exist?
- Replies: 111
- Views: 166928
Re: The Lost Dutchman Mine: Does it exist?
Jalidi: If you adjust the slide to between 5-6 pm,it will give a better indication of sunset shadow during the nov-mar period when JW probably spent time out there. Twenty years should give you plenty of time to filter what information is and will be available.Heck,it might still be there when you f...
- Sat Feb 25, 2012 4:43 pm
- Forum: LDM Discussions
- Topic: THE GENUINE STONE MAPS
- Replies: 149
- Views: 296948
Re: THE GENUINE STONE MAPS
Azmula: That the Jesuits were among those involved,I have no doubt whatsoever. I suspect they had also been,for some time,overstepping the authorization granted to them..."orders" if you will...by the Church of Rome,in matters both spiritual and commercial. In doing so they may have become...
- Sat Feb 25, 2012 1:29 pm
- Forum: LDM Discussions
- Topic: THE GENUINE STONE MAPS
- Replies: 149
- Views: 296948
Re: THE GENUINE STONE MAPS
Joe:
I can imagine how uncomfortable you must be,wearing your "panties in a twist".
The comment was really meant for Azmula,but thanks for your input.
Regards:Wayne
I can imagine how uncomfortable you must be,wearing your "panties in a twist".
The comment was really meant for Azmula,but thanks for your input.
Regards:Wayne
- Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:02 pm
- Forum: LDM Discussions
- Topic: THE GENUINE STONE MAPS
- Replies: 149
- Views: 296948
Re: THE GENUINE STONE MAPS
Azmula: Although I do disagree with your conclusions regarding the H/P Stone,I will certainly concede that what has long been assumed to be a trail...the dotted line...may in fact not be a "trail" at all.I have several reasons both theoretical and practical for this more recent line of rea...
- Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:24 pm
- Forum: LDM Discussions
- Topic: The Lost Dutchman Mine: Does it exist?
- Replies: 111
- Views: 166928
Re: The Lost Dutchman Mine: Does it exist?
jalidi: Your first post shows wisdom well beyond your level of experience. Especially your comment regarding Google Earth. :) G/E is no substitute for being there !! Much of what you see on G/E is impassable,as are most of the "treasure trails" proposed by G/E hikers. I too,believe that di...
- Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:59 pm
- Forum: LDM Discussions
- Topic: THE GENUINE STONE MAPS
- Replies: 149
- Views: 296948
Re: THE GENUINE STONE MAPS
Azmula: I would also be interested in hearing your thoughts and theories,although they may differ from my own regarding the Stone Maps.I will make no demands for sources,knowing that some need to be kept confidential for good reason.I may however,question the validity of your conclusions from time t...
- Mon Jan 09, 2012 3:38 pm
- Forum: Around the Campfire
- Topic: see ya
- Replies: 2
- Views: 12543
Re: see ya
Pip:
Sometimes it's like trying to teach s#x-ed in a cat house.
Sometimes it's like trying to teach s#x-ed in a cat house.
- Mon Jan 09, 2012 3:33 pm
- Forum: LDM Discussions
- Topic: The Stone Maps
- Replies: 922
- Views: 932870
Re: The Stone Maps
Pip: TB was likely several things.A waypoint,a rendezvous location and a headquarters/work camp. Maybe not all at the same time,but with wood and water and Pima veggies nearby,the logistics make sense.Lots of mineral rich mountains in several directions as well,including the areas and mines you ment...
- Sun Jan 08, 2012 5:37 pm
- Forum: LDM Discussions
- Topic: The Stone Maps
- Replies: 922
- Views: 932870
- Sun Jan 08, 2012 5:35 pm
- Forum: LDM Discussions
- Topic: The Stone Maps
- Replies: 922
- Views: 932870
- Thu Jan 05, 2012 3:22 am
- Forum: LDM Discussions
- Topic: The Stone Maps
- Replies: 922
- Views: 932870
Re: The Stone Maps
Sendit:
Sounds similar to what Ron Eagle wrote back in 2009.
http://www.territorialnewspapers.com/ar ... age-03.pdf
and
http://www.territorialnewspapers.com/ar ... age-14.pdf
an interesting story.
Regards:SH.
Sounds similar to what Ron Eagle wrote back in 2009.
http://www.territorialnewspapers.com/ar ... age-03.pdf
and
http://www.territorialnewspapers.com/ar ... age-14.pdf
an interesting story.
Regards:SH.
- Tue Dec 27, 2011 3:03 am
- Forum: First Amendment Forum
- Topic: ARIZONA
- Replies: 7
- Views: 19925
Re: ARIZONA
The Shadow Wolves have been busy for some time. I wonder what will be said by the media in Arizona ? Maybe they don't want to talk about them... http://www.smh.com.au/world/shadow-wolves-the-worlds-best--hunters-of-humans-20111227-1pb7a.html http://bonfiresblog.wordpress.com/2010/07/30/meet-the-shad...
- Sat Dec 24, 2011 12:52 pm
- Forum: LDM Discussions
- Topic: The Stone Maps
- Replies: 922
- Views: 932870
Re: The Stone Maps
Filling Station at Florence Junction about 1935.
- Thu Dec 22, 2011 10:21 am
- Forum: LDM Discussions
- Topic: The Stone Maps
- Replies: 922
- Views: 932870
Re: The Stone Maps
Pip: While the peak or top of the ridgeline might be a good place for an observation post,I would think that a location on the flats,closer to Queen Creek and water, would be more likely to have any ruins of a visita.A map from 1747 shows a visita ...St.Fernando...near by the confluence of the San P...
- Fri Dec 16, 2011 8:19 pm
- Forum: LDM Discussions
- Topic: The Stone Maps
- Replies: 922
- Views: 932870
Re: The Stone Maps
Pip: It would be nice to know more about the history of the area. An old military map of 1850 shows an "Indian" trail from Maricopa Wells passing through and entering the Sups.On that map,it passes through a valley called "Mission Valley".Could this be a former name for the Queen...
- Wed Dec 14, 2011 3:10 pm
- Forum: LDM Discussions
- Topic: The Stone Maps
- Replies: 922
- Views: 932870
Re: The Stone Maps
I don't have a problem with the probability that the H/P Stone was made by a different set of hands.For me,it makes sense that this would have been the case,and the timeline which I have been working with would have made it impossible for a single person to carve all of the various stones.Or even to...
- Wed Dec 14, 2011 2:49 pm
- Forum: LDM Discussions
- Topic: The Stone Maps
- Replies: 922
- Views: 932870
Re: The Stone Maps
Pip: Yes,a visit to the discovery site is a must for those who might see the story as mostly true. There is a lot more to be seen than a bunch of holes in the ground.I noticed a couple of things last time, that I want to have a closer look at when I get the chance to go back. My previous post was to...
- Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:20 pm
- Forum: Around the Campfire
- Topic: Yellow Jackets
- Replies: 1348
- Views: 16777215
Re: Yellow Jackets
Ben: The history of both Marguerite Brunswig Staude and her chapel is well represented here: http://www.gatewaytosedona.com/article/id/83/page/1 Got no idea where you came up with the revisions,but according to the history,Sedona was only one of many possible locations. " Staude investigated ma...
- Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:25 pm
- Forum: LDM Discussions
- Topic: The Stone Maps
- Replies: 922
- Views: 932870
Re: The Stone Maps
Pip: Well,it's often said.."Truth is stranger than fiction" Bet most of them coffee drinkin players, when they heard the news, looked at each other and said....."NO WAY !!" Then went back to sharing information about where each player thought that old Lost Dutchman Mine really wa...
- Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:34 pm
- Forum: LDM Discussions
- Topic: The Stone Maps
- Replies: 922
- Views: 932870
Re: The Stone Maps
Roy: Although I am not Catholic,I have never considered the figure on the H/P Stone to be a "witch".The Cross symbology alone was enough to position my often expressed opinion opposite of those,including the PHD's at Desert Archaeology and possibly Fr.Polzer SJ.(His published comments I ha...
- Thu Dec 08, 2011 2:35 pm
- Forum: LDM Discussions
- Topic: The Stone Maps
- Replies: 922
- Views: 932870
Re: The Stone Maps
Roy: Rather than "generically catholic",I see them as generically Christian. While researching such "Raampa secret symbols" may be entertaining,I doubt any solution derived by using them would make much sense.If one of the principals suspected of carving the maps was found to hav...
- Sun Dec 04, 2011 9:11 pm
- Forum: LDM Discussions
- Topic: The Lost Dutchman Mine: Does it exist?
- Replies: 111
- Views: 166928
Re: The Lost Dutchman Mine: Does it exist?
Randy:
A complete (whole) horse is what appears on the Horse/Priest Stone Map.
A horse head (only) is shown on a couple of the LDM maps.
Some folks seem to confuse the two.
Regards:Wayne
A complete (whole) horse is what appears on the Horse/Priest Stone Map.
A horse head (only) is shown on a couple of the LDM maps.
Some folks seem to confuse the two.
Regards:Wayne
- Sun Dec 04, 2011 6:32 pm
- Forum: LDM Discussions
- Topic: The Stone Maps
- Replies: 922
- Views: 932870
Re: The Stone Maps
Roy: The lack of a "Prominent" identifier is exactly the problem. Without the existence of a standalone Christogram,such as IHS/JHS or of the acronym OFM,it is impossible to credit any particular person or group with the creation of the stones.As letters incorporated within the carvings,an...