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isnt repugnent spelt repugnant?,
lazarus,
im genuinely sorry about your losses you mentioned, but (and im not trying to be abusive by the way) but when or if iran gets nuclear weapons its obvious the potential is there for millions in america, the u.k , europe to meet the same fate.In the uk weve had several attempts at car bombings etc,still we let these bastards in ,i cant understand the govts reasoning, i really cant......fundamentalist muslims are a dire threat to everyone in thewest..our freedom (such as it is) is under threat like never before.......whats your recipe for peace?....maybe u have the best of intentions i dont know, i was anti war for a while but realised theres two options..fight them ,beat them...or put my hands up and buy a pair of sandals and become a muslim.......thats one option i wont even contemplate,
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don,

First, these folks are referred as 'terrorists' because they use terror to effect change. Indeed, they have frightened you into behaving irrationally. They win... you lose, hands down. They have frightened you blind. Again, you have flinched on command. They win, you lose!

You're unwillingness to stand down is like two ten year olds fighting to see who will cry first. It is cowardly and foolish.

I refuse to be afraid, and you can't make me be afraid. Stop thinking like a quivering coward and grow a spine. Until you do, the terrorists win.

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Critarus,

I believe "personal insult(s)" are the currency that you habitually deal in.

It's amazing how closely your assessments of your own mental abilities match up with those of a pothead who goes by the name of the Blindbowman.

Seems rather obvious that if we were to put you all in a bag, shake it vigorously and pour you out in a trash can, we would find you had melded into the ultimate blindcritarus.

As for volunteering someone from my family, I certainly would not mind doing that at all. Problem is, they don't take broke down 62 year olds. :)
I would be just as proud of a volunteer from my family going as I am of the all volunteer forces that are there now.

The direct opposite of that pride is the shame I feel for you. I believe you also have a queasy feeling about your position, or you would not be ashamed to show your face at the Rendezvous. I doubt anyone really cares how crazy you are, so why not flaunt it? :lol:

Now about this "odour" thing. If you are worried about someone being offended, I have every intention of staying up wind from you. As long as you test the wind before moving about the camp, we should all be safe, assuming you care about our sensibilities. :wink:

In closing, I would like to thank you for lowering your high standards to a level that makes it possible to converse with me.....at all. Sorry about Don correcting your spelling. Sometimes he's a bit of a loose cannon. :lol:

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Don,

When jellyfish start talking about people getting a "spine", you can safely assume they have no idea what they are talking about.

If I understand Brad correctly, if the terrorist want him to change his religion, or get one.....whatever, and he declines, it would be fine with him if they sawed his wife's head off to "effect change". If they wanted him to change his house in Arizona for one of theirs in ____________
(fill in the blank) and he declines, it would be reasonable for him to expect them to drop a nuclear bomb on London.

It really just boils down to cause and effect. Cause he won't give up his home or beliefs, they are justified to use whatever tactics they choose to "effect change" in his stubborn little brainpan.

The real problem for Brad and his like minded friends, is that they actually have no idea what the terrorist really want. Their answer for that is to just start giving up everything in hopes they will finally feed the tiger enough to make him take a nap.

I believe what you have come to realize, is what the terrorist really want.
Real courage is saying to them.... no more, like you, I am willing to die first. You are now speaking their language.

Take care,

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Welcome back to the playground everyone! I'll try to bring myself down to Joe's level for this one.

Thank you for proving my point, Joe. Try to come up with one of your own next time. Copying from me won't get you to the head of the class.
Unfortunately, you've completely lost the plot. I'm not really sure what you're rambling on about. Please try a little harder to make a coherent viewpoint. I know it's difficult for your kind.

I'm sorry you hate yourself and your country so much that you would allow it to project an image of bigotry, racism, and murderous rampage. You must really hate your country to do that, and after all of the good things it has done for you. It's truly a shame that you hate yourself, Joe. I'm sorry about that.

I'm not sure how many times you need for me to make it completely obvious to you and everyone else that I am not Brad, nor do I live in the same hemisphere as any of you, but you are really starting to look like a raving idiot on that subject. It's a good look for you; you wear it well, but it's starting to get a little bit over the top. I've given my IP to the forum you monitor, my spelling is quite a bit different from Brad's, especially the use of the "s" instead of "z" as in "specialise". I know you're a slow learner, but I'm not sure what else I can do.
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spelt spelled well

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Oh, by the way, since we're being so pedantic, spelled is spelled spelled, not spelt.
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critter,
i wasnt being pedantic-just thought that being the intellectual superior of everyone on the forum as youve quite rightly described yourself ,that you would have correctly written the word repugnant.....i mean after all,if you dont know how to spell it...who does!
lazarus,
in britain in last few months,weve had lunatics try to drive a range rover packed with explosives into edinburgh airport, another couple parking vans loaded with explosives and nails in a busy london street,weve had tube bombings and other attempts at causing mayhem death and watever......THAT is cowardice! and remember this conflict didnt begin with the iraq invasion,it had allready started well before that.im not at all sure what your solution to all this is.....apart from joining them that is :lol:
i get the distinct feeling you are jesting, i may be wrong but its a possible explanation for your posts. cos theres no sense to them.
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Critter,

my wife was right on this one. Joe is a warmonger who doesn't give a damn about humanity. He is scum. Why cast pearls before swine?

Joe,
swill another one, private beer fart.

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don,

don,
I am not jesting. Clean up the mess and go back to your business.
Those so called 'terrorists' have your number, and it's a big fat zero.

Example:

Do you have any idea how may people have been killed in car accidents since 9/11? Do you think those auto fatalities scare anyone from driving? Of course not!

We all drive knowing the dangers of the road, but we drive anyway. Fear is a weakness. Grow a spine and stop living in fear!

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Brad,

Your last post really makes your position clear. You consider the attacks by the terrorists, nothing more than accidents. :roll: Folks just being in the wrong place at the wrong time. 8O

Please don't stop posting, as the more you post the more ridiculous your side of the issue looks. Equating auto accidents with what happened on 9/11????

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Critter,

Your mum named you Critter? How prescient of her.....or were there already too many Weasels in the family tree? :lol:

What do you find wrong with the spelling of the word spelt? It may be out of common use, but it seems to me that someone named Critter should not be too particular. :?

What's your field......Animal Science? :)

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Private Beer Fart,

Yes I do.

You see, I have been in a head-on collision. The guy sitting next to me was killed. I suffered only minor injuries.

The guy that hit us was drunk.

The accident was extraordinarily violent. I was the only one of seven to walk away. I had to hold my friends hand while the police informed her that her husband had not survived.

So yes, private beer fart, I do. Unlike you, I lived in Manhattan (NYC), and I know better than to live in fear.

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So go right ahead, Joe...
say it ain't so.

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lazarus,
well. you sure got an interesting take on things ..ill give you that :lol: id guess youd call it "passive resistance"....fine if you are a buddhist monk i suppose,fine if you dont inhabit the same world the rest of us do,and fine if you are quite happy to accept or see your own family ,friends, and neighbours ripped apart by some explosion.
You are jesting or you are nuts, cant think of an alternative reason for you acting as you seem to be.
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don,

I may be nuts, but you are a worthless coward. Grow a spine!

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don
I am more afraid of drunk drivers than terrorists. You need to get a life! You are such a quivering coward!

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critter wrote:Oh, by the way, since we're being so pedantic, spelled is spelled spelled, not spelt.
joe,
Spelt is quite ok to use as i used it ,you could use spelled as well ,although i imagine spelt would be the word used normally, in britain anyway, as we know the two countries usage of some words differ, but dont tell critter.. because ... :lol: as he is so fond of saying....... "why cast pearls before swine?"
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lazarus wrote:don
I am more afraid of drunk drivers than terrorists. You need to get a life! You are such a quivering coward!

Brad
lazarus,
im all for exploring "alternate views" and that kinda thing,but your logic is the logic of the assylum.......maybe that is where you are posting from? if so you have my sympathies
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don,

perhaps I am crazy...
like a fox.

You, on the other hand, are crazy like a fool!

Go ahead, spend your entire life being afraid of your own shadow.

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Don and Beer Fart,

You've misquoted me. I didn't say the bit about throwing pearls before swine. You're wrong again, but you're probably used to that by now.

If the only criticism of my viewpoint is a spelling error and a few more impish insults, then I win, plain and simple.

At least I don't have to constantly shift my viewpoint and throw weak, childish insults around to articulate my point. That's more than I can say for you two. You're pathetic.

I'm sorry you guys support the terrorists by living in fear and I'm sorry you are so immoral and hate yourselves and your country so much. It's a shame.
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Blind Clitarus,

How you or Brad have the unmitigated gall to call anyone a coward or say they are living in fear......is laughable.

Calling Don names, which the two of you started after he simply stated his changed position on the war against terrorisim, is shameful. I understand that does not enter your thought process, but it is a very good reflection of the kind of people you are.

One side or the other is wrong in this debate, but I will take the word of the folks who are on the front line of the war. Not ONE case or two, which are always availabe in any war, but the vast majority of the soldiers who are placing their bodies between us and the people who would kill us all......even their two biggest fans. :roll:

Don is to be praised for his change of position on this (very real) war. Let's not hear about the anonymous friend of a friends thoughts on the war. Don is seeing the terrorisim up close and personal now. What exactly are you seeing.....Sean Penn? :lol:

Like I said before, the names you are spitting out are tlhe best argument you have. From that point, it just goes downhill. No one belileves anything you say anyway. Why waste your time here?


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joe,
from the way lazarus in particular is speaking,i get the impression i can smell the sickly smell of hashish wafting this way from across the sea.now you can see why its an illegal drug :lol:
is critta critta? or is critta peter/wiz/wyatt earp/etc etc
lazarus,
i did change my views its true, but when i held the alternate view i did at least have a solution ,a naive solution maybe but one i felt strongly about and believed in, you on the other hand have no solution but to "clear up the nmess and ignore them" :lol: its hard to know whether to laugh or cry at that one.
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Don,

I don't doubt critter is Brad's friend. By the same token, I don't believe he is Peter or Wiz......not for a second. It never even entered my mind. I believe you are as wrong as you can be there.

The "hashish" comment, on the other hand, seems pretty insightful. Seems hard to believe someone could voice the trash they are putting forth in an unaltered state. :roll: I truly hope that is the case.

Take care,

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Private beer fart,

Too bad, warmonger...

I think you're a coward too! Your support for a bad war is cowardly.
George W. Bush is a war criminal. He has committed crimes against humanity. He should stand trial for his crimes.

As governor of Texas, George W. Bush executed more inmates than all other forty-nine states combined during the same period. He also spent an average of less than fifteen minutes researching each case, way below the amount of time spent by most governors. He was once overheard mocking a female inmate who was begging for her life. "Don't kill me, don't kill me!", he laughed.

How crude and cowardly.

The Bible says we will know a man by his deeds. Indeed, we do. The Bible also forbids killing. The Bible also warns against following laws or leaders that contradict the word of God. Bush is not an exception.

Just today we learned of the existence of documents proving Bush intended to invade Iraq with or without UN support, and in clear violation of U.S. and international law, including the Geneva Accord. This is a man with no respect for the word of law. Your defense of his actions is unconscionable. Innocent human beings are dying, and you make excuses for a warmonger.

Don,
I know my comments seem hurtful, and for that, I am sorry. However, I am not the one who wants to hurt you. I do very much think you need to grow a spine and stop being afraid. The terrorists win, every time you are afraid.

Those terrorists are not much different than the school bully. They will keep pushing you if they can. Bush is a bully too! Bullies are nothing new.
I'm not afraid of Bush or the terrorists. Most importantly, I believe both need to face accountability.

However, neither should be treated as if they somehow fall outside of the normal constraints of the law. Bush should answer to international law like any other war criminal, and so should the terrorists. Nether should be shot at from the rooftops.

I don't own a gun. I don't need one. Dogs don't need guns, bears don't need guns, and neither do I. I am notorious for hiking alone in rough terrain and I've never had a problem. In fact, I once accidentally poked a sleeping boar in the butt with a metal detector. He called me a few choice names, but he showed no aggression. I have seen them when they are aggressive, and it isn't pretty.

As far as I'm concerned, if I can't go hiking without a gun, I shouldn't be in the mountains. I have been stung by a Bark Scorpion, deadliest in the mountains. Even that was not worth complaining about. Furthermore, a gun would not have helped.

I have fears, of course, but I won't let them compromise my activities, nor will I allow them to cloud my judgment. Two wrongs do not make a right. Evil is evil. I am not inspired by hate for my fellow man, but by love for my fellow man.

On 9/11, four commercial airliners were hi-jacked by terrorists who then used the machines to kill. Of the nineteen hi-jackers involved, fifteen were
Saudi, two were Egyptian, one Yemeni, and I believe one Jordanian. None were from Afghanistan and none were from Iraq. However, the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq have resulted in the deaths of thousands of innocent people. People who were not harboring bin Laden, nor were they supporting or attending terror camps. They were, and continue to be, just ordinary people, whom the US will write off as collateral damage.

For you to allow these people to scare you into trading your liberty for the illusion of security is self defeating. There is no real security. Life does what life does. Are you afraid of sharks too?

So when I say, grow a spine, I mean it. I want you to succeed, not fail. Joe keeps implying that I don't support the troops, but how would he know? Supporting our troops, and supporting an unjust war are by no means the same. I most certainly do not support what the troops are doing. Try as they might, it is not their war to win. The troops need to come home, where they belong.

I know Joe means well, too! He is determined to be a good patriot, and stand up for his country. In and of itself, his intent is commendable, but his unwillingness to confront the truth is the stuff of treason. Every time another soldier dies, we lose far more than a war. We lose the future of this country.

Our children are not expendable. Their lives should not be squandered. If you guys won't stand up for them, I will. For you to let our soldiers die, fighting a unlawful conflict on false premise.

Damn right, your cowards!

Bring it on!

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Lazarus,

Until recently, I wondered how you came about your arrogance.
One word said it all. Manhattan.

Thank God everyone in this country does not share your point of view.

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