Helen Corbin's Olbers Manifest

[djui5]

I would like to believe that it will still be so for many years to come.

It will, zentull and I can assure you of that.

[Joe Ribaudo]

All,

Just wanted to put this topic where it will be easy to find.

Joe Ribaudo

[don]

I gave up on Helen Corbin and anything she wrote when, if my memory serves me correctly ,she wrote on page 178 (i think) (and im paraphrasing here) "Indians never lied"...There were several other questionable statements she made ,but that one did it for me ,I believe it ended up in a local charity shop,and if any prospective buyer has any common sense,it will remain ,gathering dust for a long time to come.

[Mike McChesney]

Thanks for that Joe. It took me a while to dig it out last night. I didn't even think about bumping the topic. HAHAHA

Mike

[Joe Ribaudo]

I gave up on Helen Corbin and anything she wrote when, if my memory serves me correctly ,she wrote on page 178 (i think) (and im paraphrasing here) "Indians never lied"...There were several other questionable statements she made ,but that one did it for me ,I believe it ended up in a local charity shop,and if any prospective buyer has any common sense,it will remain ,gathering dust for a long time to come.

Hi Don,

Actually, the statement you are referring to is on page 188 of "The Curse Of The Dutchman's Gold" by Helen Corbin. Obviously it was not a statement of fact, but something Helen, like many impressionable writers, believed. Many other writers of the history of the Native Americans held the same kind of opinions about their subjects. Not unusual at all.

Hope all is well back there.

Take care,

Joe

[Joe Ribaudo]

Thanks for that Joe. It took me a while to dig it out last night. I didn't even think about bumping the topic. HAHAHA

Mike

Mike,

It also took me forever to find the topic. That's exactly why I bumped it. It's certainly an interesting and informative thread. I didn't find where I gave Starman/Ben Davis such a hard time as deducer suggested over on TNet.

Take care,

Joe

[Oroblanco]

I gave up on Helen Corbin and anything she wrote when, if my memory serves me correctly ,she wrote on page 178 (i think) (and im paraphrasing here) "Indians never lied"...There were several other questionable statements she made ,but that one did it for me ,I believe it ended up in a local charity shop,and if any prospective buyer has any common sense,it will remain ,gathering dust for a long time to come.

While Helen's second Dutchman book (the 'Bible') has a number of falsehoods, her first book is not at all so I would still recommend it, think the title is Curse of the Dutchmans Gold or similar to that, well worth your time.

Helen is or was guilty of trusting a friend as a source, which proved disastrous for her reputation. All writers are at the mercy of their sources, and were she alive today I am certain she would highly approve of her husband's efforts to buy back all copies of that second book the 'Bible' on the lost Dutchman. She might have even had recourse to legal actions, like a lawsuit for fraudulent misrepresentations from that source. Look at what happened to the author who wrote the fact "autobiography" of Howard Hughes, if anyone doubts that Helen could have taken legal actions.

Wishing you all a very Merry Christmas,
Oroblanco

[Joe Ribaudo]

I gave up on Helen Corbin and anything she wrote when, if my memory serves me correctly ,she wrote on page 178 (i think) (and im paraphrasing here) "Indians never lied"...There were several other questionable statements she made ,but that one did it for me ,I believe it ended up in a local charity shop,and if any prospective buyer has any common sense,it will remain ,gathering dust for a long time to come.

While Helen's second Dutchman book (the 'Bible') has a number of falsehoods, her first book is not at all so I would still recommend it, think the title is Curse of the Dutchmans Gold or similar to that, well worth your time.

Helen is or was guilty of trusting a friend as a source, which proved disastrous for her reputation. All writers are at the mercy of their sources, and were she alive today I am certain she would highly approve of her husband's efforts to buy back all copies of that second book the 'Bible' on the lost Dutchman. She might have even had recourse to legal actions, like a lawsuit for fraudulent misrepresentations from that source. Look at what happened to the author who wrote the fact "autobiography" of Howard Hughes, if anyone doubts that Helen could have taken legal actions.

Wishing you all a very Merry Christmas,
Oroblanco

Roy,

I believe Don was quoting from Helen's "Curse of the Dutchman's Gold".

Have a Merry Christmas!

Joe

[Joe Ribaudo]

Roy,

See last post on previous page.

Take care,

Joe

[Deducer]

Mike,

It also took me forever to find the topic. That's exactly why I bumped it. It's certainly an interesting and informative thread. I didn't find where I gave Starman/Ben Davis such a hard time as deducer suggested over on TNet.

Take care,

Joe

What I mentioned was that you goaded Starman, resulting in a bunch of silly posts "that detracted from the discussion."

Page 39 being an example.

[Joe Ribaudo]

Mike,

It also took me forever to find the topic. That's exactly why I bumped it. It's certainly an interesting and informative thread. I didn't find where I gave Starman/Ben Davis such a hard time as deducer suggested over on TNet.

Take care,

Joe

What I mentioned was that you goaded Starman, resulting in a bunch of silly posts "that detracted from the discussion."

Page 39 being an example.

deducer,

As usual, you have cherry-picked your quote without considering the entire history of Ben's posts here. Others had been much harsher on him before my post on page 39. They knew who "Starman" was and the history of his posts.

On the other hand, I'm glad to see you posting over here.

Have a Merry Christmas!

Joe Ribaudo

[Oroblanco]

Roy,

See last post on previous page.

Take care,

Joe

Yes I did see that, I was responding to a part of what Don was saying, this part specifically:

I gave up on Helen Corbin and anything she wrote

<snip>

I got the impression that Don was dismissing anything Helen wrote, due to the flaws in the Bible as with the example he cited. That would be a shame as her first book (Curse of the Dutchman's Gold?) is really very good and does not seem to have the same problems as the second. At least I did not find any errors or questionable materials, as is possible with the 'Bible'.

Merry Christmas to you Joe and anyone reading this, and perhaps this old forum is not going to give up the ghost after all!

[Deducer]

deducer,

As usual, you have cherry-picked your quote without considering the entire history of Ben's posts here. Others had been much harsher on him before my post on page 39. They knew who "Starman" was and the history of his posts.

On the other hand, I'm glad to see you posting over here.

Have a Merry Christmas!

Joe Ribaudo

The salient point being- it contributed nothing to the discussion at hand.

I too, wish you and yours a very Merry Christmas, and hope that you are not inundated with.... cats.

[klondike]

Gentlemen:

Discussions concerning the ldm have always created a certain amount of silliness. I have even been known to participate.

As the following will make clear:


Hello Mr. Ribaudo,

Hope things are going well with you and yours.

You have an excellent point on the maps. Perhaps everything was cleaned out long ago. That would actually be a real hoot. Who knows Ayer may have made everything.

On another point. Since you have interpreted the Stone Maps correctly, yet there are many solutions, and some with very impressive monuments, some one must have had quite the sense of humor. And since the truth squad is using a different interpretation of the maps, as evidenced by their video, really dies not matter where they end up.

Imagine if they try to tag along with your efforts they will be happy to cut you a check and recognition.

So what is the timeline now. 2 years to get the right permits. At least 2+seasons of reality tv shows, and at least a couple of books, then and only then if nothing can be found there will be a grand conclusion on a 3 hour tv program with the dirt map, the hide map, 27 stone maps, all in front of the bat cave.

Someone will parachute out of the bat cave and announce all of this actually applies to the Rocky Mountains, as proven by a new carving found under 4 tons of bat stuff. Everyone will take off let`s say for Silverton, Colorado. All the explorers will set up base camp in Durango and take the train to Silverton everyday on the search. That should get at least another 3 seasons out of this.

Gatekeepers are becoming totally obsolete. This is becoming Disneyland.


May the stars keep you safe.


Klondike
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Re: Travis Tumlinson and the Stone Maps
Postby Joe Ribaudo » Fri Aug 14, 2015 4:03 pm

klondike wrote:
Hello Mr. Ribaudo,

Hope things are going well with you and yours.

You have an excellent point on the maps. Perhaps everything was cleaned out long ago. That would actually be a real hoot. Who knows Ayer may have made everything.

On another point. Since you have interpreted the Stone Maps correctly, yet there are many solutions, and some with very impressive monuments, some one must have had quite the sense of humor. And since the truth squad is using a different interpretation of the maps, as evidenced by their video, really dies not matter where they end up.

Imagine if they try to tag along with your efforts they will be happy to cut you a check and recognition.

So what is the timeline now. 2 years to get the right permits. At least 2+seasons of reality tv shows, and at least a couple of books, then and only then if nothing can be found there will be a grand conclusion on a 3 hour tv program with the dirt map, the hide map, 27 stone maps, all in front of the bat cave.

Someone will parachute out of the bat cave and announce all of this actually applies to the Rocky Mountains, as proven by a new carving found under 4 tons of bat stuff. Everyone will take off let`s say for Silverton, Colorado. All the explorers will set up base camp in Durango and take the train to Silverton everyday on the search. That should get at least another 3 seasons out of this.

Gatekeepers are becoming totally obsolete. This is becoming Disneyland.


May the stars keep you safe.


Klondike


Ben,

Dang! I was really hoping for a job........Maybe a greeter for Disneyland will be the back-up plan.

Joe

Actually the above still seems to me right on. Did it add much, probably not.


Merry Christmas


klondike

[Joe Ribaudo]

deducer,

As usual, you have cherry-picked your quote without considering the entire history of Ben's posts here. Others had been much harsher on him before my post on page 39. They knew who "Starman" was and the history of his posts.

On the other hand, I'm glad to see you posting over here.

Have a Merry Christmas!

Joe Ribaudo

The salient point being- it contributed nothing to the discussion at hand.

I too, wish you and yours a very Merry Christmas, and hope that you are not inundated with.... cats.

[Joe Ribaudo]

deducer,

Other than to dig at me, what exactly did your posts add to the discussion? My addition, was to point out the history of Ben's posts to any newbies who might be looking in. Someone like you, who has been absorbing every post I ever made, should be educated enough, by now, to not need such reminders. Then again.......

Merry Christmas,

Joe Ribaudo

[Oroblanco]

Merry Christmas to you all!

[Deducer]

deducer,

Other than to dig at me, what exactly did your posts add to the discussion? My addition, was to point out the history of Ben's posts to any newbies who might be looking in. Someone like you, who has been absorbing every post I ever made, should be educated enough, by now, to not need such reminders. Then again.......

Merry Christmas,

Joe Ribaudo

Although I like to prod you every now and then, rest assured that there is no real malice.

Hope you had a great Christmas, and wishing you a healthy 2016.

[Joe Ribaudo]

deducer,

Other than to dig at me, what exactly did your posts add to the discussion? My addition, was to point out the history of Ben's posts to any newbies who might be looking in. Someone like you, who has been absorbing every post I ever made, should be educated enough, by now, to not need such reminders. Then again.......

Merry Christmas,

Joe Ribaudo

Although I like to prod you every now and then, rest assured that there is no real malice.

Hope you had a great Christmas, and wishing you a healthy 2016.

deducer,

Can't say there is any malice here either.

Happy New Year!

Joe Ribaudo