I will check my library to be sure but if I recall correctly, it came from the Apache legends about the LDM.djui5 wrote:Where does this whole "horse" clue thing come from anyway?
Alan
I will check my library to be sure but if I recall correctly, it came from the Apache legends about the LDM.djui5 wrote:Where does this whole "horse" clue thing come from anyway?
alan m wrote:The horse was also the symbol used by the Spanish to designate a secure camp where one could refresh their horses.
It came into use sometime arounf 1800 as a result of the stratigy implimented by General Hugh O'Connor which succesfully contained the Apache untill 1811.
Alan
First off it was his implementation, not him as you so ellequently show, he died in 1777 or therebouts.pippinwhitepaws wrote:amazing how much i missed in class.
http://www.houstonculture.org/mexico/irish.html (second paragraph)
http://chuck.hubpages.com/hub/Hugo_OConor
http://southwest.library.arizona.edu/sp ... iv.11.html
general hugh o'connor...
contained the apache in 1811?
from tucson?
Folklore is indeed history when there is no other record, its validity is only in question.pippinwhitepaws wrote:"As one historian has stated, folklore is not history.34"
one did not need to go north to find apache outside tucson...
one only had to live on the outskirts of tucson to find apache.
any further attempt to be a historian{ for me} is futile.
There are numerous horse symbols throughout the southwest and those which have been studied and written about are in association with locations that were defendable, along military routes and had an ample supply of water.Joe Ribaudo wrote:Alan,
Can you tell us what all of that has to do with this statement:
"The horse was also the symbol used by the Spanish to designate a secure camp where one could refresh their horses."
Once again, is there some historical book or document that contains this information?
Thank you in advance,
Joe
JoeJoe Ribaudo wrote:Alan,
"Once again, is there some historical book or document that contains this information?"
Thank you. I will take your last reply as a........NO, there is not.
Take care,
Joe
Not to speak for Joe, I am sure he can speak for himself, just wanted to add a bit concerning the points Alan raised.I thought this site was a place for the exchange of information and ideas.
I was obviously wrong.
I agree with you on that point, having received my formal training in anthropologypippinwhitepaws wrote:alan,
i have spent most of my life outside in the southwestern mountains and basins...
i went to high school out in superior...wandered places people will tell you one can not get to from here.
i have yet to see more than a blaze in a tree, or a stack of rocks to mark a trail.
though some pictographs did look interesting.
if some spanish mercenary created a system of trail markers, it is written down somewhere...the king was like that.
don't allow me to ruin what you know...i just like documents...its the training.