bill 711 wrote:
I believe in Chuck Kenworthy's work. I have spoke his son Tiger Kenworthy on the phone and E-Mailed him numerous times about his Fathers work. This I did while discussing my Gold Mine Claim and property. He's a good man. But, he's also a Lawyer and wouldn't talk to much about anything related to his fathers work or the true meaning of the signs and symbols in his (Tiger's) books.
He informed me that the books were written by him (Tiger) after his father died and not written by Chuck himself.
Bill
Bill,
How do you explain all the copies of his books that have his father's Autograph in them and the lectures Chuck gave about the books when they came out?
I'll have to look at the books again tonight, but I believe they say they were dedicated to his Father Chuck by Tiger. It may not be all of the books just a few and I'm confused since I have the whole lot. Or it could be I'm totally wrong about it. My recollection of our conversation (Tiger and I) may be off but I remember talking with him about his Fathers Books and he corrected me on that telling me different. Maybe Tiger wrote them for his Father while Chuck was still alive?
I could be wrong and would be the first to admit it.
As far me trying to push the idea of the Jesuits being involved in Masonry or Treasures I made it clear it's just one Possiblity not the only one.
And I may be way off base on that.
Like I said it may just have been the Spanish Government and regular Spaniards Mining.
The Signa IHS and the cross could be construed as Templar Masonic in orgins as with almost any religious symbols since the Templar Mason's were synonymous with the early Vatican, Popes and Chruches. The Jesuits are called the "Soldiers of Christ" and the Templars " The Poor Soldiers of Christ" (I believe I could be off a bit on that one) but it makes the point.
Any Stacked Signa's of the Vatican's various religious groups have some Masonic undertones as Masonry started out as a secret society dedicated to Jesus Christ and became the worship of all religions as it evolved. Or maybe it was the worship of all of them to begin with?
Of course Masonry was eventually banned by the Vatican until modern times.
Here's something to think about but to hold me to it. You guys are so serious about all of this.
Take the Stone Maps for instance the Numeral "18" on the Witch or Priest Map is Kabbalistic Coded Numeric Symbol for Bible Gematria or reverse Atbash Gematria which simply means this Map is coded and decoded that way. So were the Jews Masons? Or is it just the Masonic rendering of the Kabbala since they worshiped all religions?
It's so complex!
Yet it's simple.
It may not have anything to do with the Stone Maps and that particular
Numeral.
But it does jive sometimes depending on where or how you use it along with the other letters and Spanish mispelled writing on the Priest Map.
"I don't care if it has electric windows. I don't care if the door gaps are straight, but when the driver steps on the gas I want him to piss his pants."
Enzo Ferrari
I found where Bill went wrong. The books were dedicated to Charles Kenworthy by his son Chuck Kenworthy (Tiger's Grandfather). You just read the first part of the dedication. It was signed Chuck not Tiger.
Randy,
That looks an awful lot like a Jesuit Seal. The "IHS" was adopted by The Society of Jesus in 1541.
The artistic rendering in Randy's picture is of a symbolic monogram first used by the early Christians of Rome. It often includes three nails at the bottom. As such, it predates both the Knights of Templar, as well as the Masonic Order.
Many organizations have used Roman Catholic symbols in their works.
The following is the dedication from "Treasure Secets of the Lost Dutchman":
[DEDICATED TO THE TENS OF THOUSANDS THAT HAVE SEARCHED FOR THE LOST DUTCHMAN MINE HIDDEN IN THE SUPERSTITION MOUNTAINS OF ARIZONA. TO THESE INDIVIDUALS BELONG THE CREDIT FOR KEEPING THE "DUTCMAN" ALIVE.]
No mention, anywhere in the book, of his father. The Copyright is:
1997 Charles A. Kenworthy.
Chuck Kenworthy gave lectures on the contents of his books. Many of the members of this Forum attended those lectures.
It was Chucks work in the books I was wrong about that but maybe Tiger compiled the information and put it into book form for sale before or after he died.
Mike, "Chuck" and Charles are the same individuals just a nick name.
Tiger is their son or his son I should say.
Tiger's a good guy.
Ah, what it must have been like growing up with the Duke as a family friend and Treasure Hunting to boot!
"I don't care if it has electric windows. I don't care if the door gaps are straight, but when the driver steps on the gas I want him to piss his pants."
Enzo Ferrari
I purchased a set of "Kino Glasses" a short time ago, and now use them to read Billy's posts. It makes all the difference in the world. I highly recommend that you do the same.
Joe you better put on your shades your all wrong on this one.
Charles "Chuck" Kenworthy Senior
Charles "Chuck" "Tiger" Kenworthy Junior.
Father & Son.
Tiger Wrote the book.
Chuck Senior did the work.
Father and Son.
Tiger "Chuck" Kenworthy Junior still runs Quest Publishing and is a high end Lawyer who took geology as a child when his Father Chuck Kenworthy Senior was Treasure Hunting.
Should I repeat it again for all of you?
I'll repeat it for you older folks who need Kino Glasses.
Charles "Chuck" Kenworthy Senior
Charles "Chuck" "Tiger" Kenworthy Junior.
Father & Son.
Tiger Wrote the book.
Chuck Senior did the work.
Father and Son.
Tiger "Chuck" Kenworthy Junior still runs Quest Publishing and is a high end Lawyer who took geology as a child when his Father Chuck Kenworthy Senior was Treasure Hunting.
I sit clear to you yet?
Or should we pretend to call him like someone else does with another Treasure Hunter?
I wouldn't bother him for this trivia. It's written in the book.
Now that we have established who actually wrote the Kenworthy Books what does everyone on here think about it?
Does this damper the impact of all the Kenworthy books information?
It may.
Since Chuck Senoir died suddenly I guess we'll never know the true answer to that question. Chuck Junior is not giving out any info and I don't blame him. The Books are still very interesting and do give up some good clues. I used them myself in the beginning until I reached a point in my research that the books stopped short of.
From that point forward it was field work and grunt research.
Some Masonry was used but by whom? The Jesuit's? The King? The Pope? The Vatican?
Maybe it's like I said just regular Spaniards practiced the craft.
One thing I did find out some of what Chuck Junior put in his book on signs, symbols, sun signs and shadow signs works in the field and not on paper maps. I should hopefully know sometime soon if that's true.
Hey Bill 711,
I have been watching this thread, now I'm really confused. There was one point in time I thought maybe? Can you tell me which of C Kenworthy's, Chuck/Tiger, books you got the dedication from I thought you were talking about the LDM Treasure SB. Where I can get those kino glasses you guys are always refering to? Respectfully RVReclus
You can make a pair out of any empty pop can. You are still dealing with the same asshole he's alway been regardless of his new warm and fuzzy attitude.
Mike,
I didn't mean to "jump" on Bill 711, I was only asking where his dedication page came from so as to determine publishing dates as I am unfamiliar with this particular scanned page he posted. As far as my comment to TC , I was trying to add some comedy to a tragedy. That said, it is what it is. Respectfully RVReclus
No need to worry over hurting Billy's feelings, as his story will change with each new piece of evidence that comes along.
As I mentioned, Chuck Kenworthy died in 1998. His last book, was published in 1997. I believe there were five in total.
It would be interesting to know which of those book were "Tiger's". If none of them were written by "Tiger", how many books came out after Chuck's death? Anyone know the names?
If Billy talked to "Tiger" after Chuck's death, and he told him that he wrote the books......who was Billy actually talking to?
