klondike wrote:Hello Mr. K
Perhaps old habits die slowly.
But what is it that is worthy of understanding. A good place to start is Hidden Mountain, New Mexico. As you may know recent comments have been made that refer to the importance of understanding the stone maps and their relationship to star charts. It seems some believe this activity was limited to the Jesuits. In actuality this is not the case. There are a number of suspects but the one most promising to examine is the star chart on Hidden Mountain, very close to the Los Lunas Decalogue Stone. These star charts document the presence of Hebrews on the site on September 15, 107 B.C. during a solar eclipse. What is also important is to understand the path of the eclipse as it passed over another important site on the same day.
Other items on the mountain need additional work because they speak to the mechanics of the star charts that were used as the ground for the trail maps. Also to the importance of Greek symbology in their creation. A symbology that more moderns folks pass right over.
Then did the descendants of the expedition to New Mexico and others return at a later date to create Circlestone and well many other things. The answer to that question is yes. And furthermore given a knowledge of the area by Hebrews as far back as 107 B.C. is it possible or probable that another mission came forth from the Middle East to spread the word .Perhaps a clue can be found in one of the most overlooked passages of the Critias that points to this:
"In the beginning the gods agreed to divide the earth by lot in a friendly manner, and when they had made the allotment they settled their several countries, and were the shepherds or rather the pilots of mankind, whom they guided by persuasion, and not by force."
A shepherd came forth from the middle east to serve mankind with the word. And a sheperd`s people who had access to things that led them to HIdden Mountain. And later other things would led the people to the Superstition Mountains and Horse Mesa, a journey that would also take Coronado and his priests to Coronado Mesa.
Good luck in your journeys and may the stars keep you safe.
Seasons greetings Klondike,
I put your extract from Critias in bold type to highlight it. The reason I did so is that particular wording or translation is not what I have, which is somewhat different. quote
In the days of old the gods had the whole earth distributed among them by allotment. There was no quarrelling; for you cannot rightly suppose that the gods did not know what was proper for each of them to have, or, knowing this, that they would seek to procure for themselves by contention that which more properly belonged to others. They all of them by just apportionment obtained what they wanted, and peopled their own districts; and when they had peopled them they tended us, their nurselings and possessions, as shepherds tend their flocks, excepting only that they did not use blows or bodily force, as shepherds do, but governed us like pilots from the stern of the vessel, which is an easy way of guiding animals, holding our souls by the rudder of persuasion according to their own pleasure;-thus did they guide all mortal creatures.
It appears that you have a sort of 'abridged' version?
Also, can you provide some proof of the statement:
And a sheperd`s [sic - "shepherd's"] people who had access to things that led them to HIdden Mountain. And later other things would led the people to the Superstition Mountains and Horse Mesa, a journey that would also take Coronado and his priests to Coronado Mesa.
Whom are these "shepherd's people" you are obliquely referring to, the ten lost tribes of Israel? The people of Esau? Greeks? Persians? Berbers? Sicels? Scots? The people of Lehi, from the tribe of Manasseh?
I would also like to see some supporting evidence for your statement:
And furthermore given a knowledge of the area by Hebrews as far back as 107 B.C. is it possible or probable that another mission came forth from the Middle East to spread the word .
While I have seen evidence that the New World was known to exist to several ancient cultures in the Old world, you have specifically named a date and identified the Hebrews as having specific knowledge of a very specific area. It is one thing to contend that an ancient people in the Mediterranean were aware of the existence of a continent across the Atlantic, and quite another to contend that an rather land loving people not widely known for seafaring abilities had somehow gained knowledge of a specific and remote region FAR inland and well away from navigable rivers which were often used as watery highways in ancient times. Hence my curiosity, thank you in advance.
Wishing you and everyone reading the discussion a very Merry Christmas and a prosperous and Happy New Year,
Oroblanco