Jesuits in the Superstitions

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Jan
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Ray's Cursum Perficio Map

Postby Jan » Fri Sep 02, 2005 12:04 am

Since you refuse to go play somewhere else, It's all yours Joe & Bill711

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Translations

Postby Joe Ribaudo » Fri Sep 02, 2005 12:58 am

Jan,

Any idea what was used to make the translations?

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Cursum Perficio

Postby redison » Fri Sep 02, 2005 1:14 am

Ok Jan, all of my marbles are back in the circle. (it IS a new circle tho)

I couldn't resist this. You should have asked me about this drawing a long time ago. Who were you keeping it secret from?

I don't think your secret sentence is going to stay secret for too long. There appears to be a number of copies of this map already in circulation.
Doesn't matter tho, the person I got it from said he stood right on top of the boulder and copied the writing into his pocket notebook. No more than 5 or 6 years ago. Before you ask, No he didn't tell me where it was and I knew better to ask. I would have posted this scan this A.M. but I was waiting for him to return my phone call to see if it was OK. He said that if a copy of it is already posted, go ahead, as long as I didn't put his name with it in any way.

Something interesting about his vewrsion of it. It doesn't have the triangle in it either. I hadn't seen Ray Tucker's version until just now or I would have inquired about why it is not on the verison I am about to post. Betchya anything it was intentionally ommited for the very same reason you left the sentence off. I followed suit and removed the sentence for you before uploading it.

I'll let you know.

redison

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Cursum Perficio

Postby Jan » Fri Sep 02, 2005 1:47 am

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Latin handwriting on Ray' version

Postby redison » Fri Sep 02, 2005 10:33 am

I worked with it a little Jan. The direct translations are shown below.
I have no idea how to arrange the words in the correct order as they should be in Latin. Seems to be something about the moon being dangerous?????

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Online Latin to English translation websites
http://www.freedict.com/onldict/lat.html
http://www.arts.cuhk.edu.hk/Lexis/Latin/


Results for query "cursum perficio":
Latin English
cursum --------- ??????????????? (Other personal resources say it is The/My Journey or Trail)
perficio -------- to do thoroughly, accomplish, bring about, perfected, complete

"The/My Journey is complete"
or
"The/My Trail is perfected"

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Results for query Quorum ecctafnlget ut soleo luna (Not sure about spelling)

Latin English
quorum ------------ dangers
ecctafnlget ------- ?????????????
ut -------- when, as.
soleo ----------- to be accustomed, be used to.
luna --------- moon

"dangers ??????????? when to be accustomed moon"

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How Many Souls Is Enough?

Postby Joe Ribaudo » Fri Sep 02, 2005 3:12 pm

redison,

You said:

"Maybe you subscribe to the idea that the Jesuits were expelled from the New World because they were not saving enough souls?"

Historically, no other order in the New World was as good at bringing new souls to the Catholic Church. Not just the numbers were impressive, but the overall fervor of the converts was amazing.

The Jesuits were expelled because of the jealousies of the other's
in the Courts of Spain. In those days, cutting the other guys throat to gain power, was considered normal.

Most of what has been listed as "treasures" that were kept in the missions, was donated by wealthy patrons of the Jesuits. That is historical fact backed by the original journals of the Jesuits, and letters between the priests and their patrons.

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the heart, the triangle and the gorge

Postby late49er » Fri Sep 02, 2005 3:30 pm

Jan,

Mr. Tucker`s Map is really remarkable.

Try something. Rotate the triangle, and the mine symbol directly to the heart symbol. Then consider:

the direction of my mine is the narrow gorge. Observe the triangle in the middle of the heart.

The question then becomes why do this? Where do we get the direction to take such a step.

Next take a look at the Stone Maps.

Who knows maybe it is nothing.


Regards,


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Jesuit Expulsion

Postby redison » Fri Sep 02, 2005 3:30 pm

I hear that Joe,

Then I turn on the evening news and form the conclusion that.
Nothing has changed! :roll:

This topic was founded on stories about Jesuit items reported to have been found in the Superstition Mountains and Sylvester Mowery's (and others) writings about the Jesuit's being involved in mining activities, in spite of all the recorded history by the Jesuits themselves that suggest otherwise.

I think Jan's intent in starting this topic was in search of stories that supported the things she already believed. Lord knows there is probably just as much information out there that would undermine her beliefs, but it would not be gentlemanly to do it to her in her own thread.

It might not be a bad idea to start a parallel topic with emphisis on the other side of the coin. It might get several times the interest than this side of the coin does, but it would take someone like yourself that believes that way to get it started and keep it going. I would find it interesting to follow both topics.

It would also be interesting to see how the membership divided up into the Jesuit/Stone Maps camp and the Anti Jesuit/Stone Maps camp.

I'll give you a heads up tho before you decide to undertake that task. She is in the process of collecting and preparing a lot of compelling information to support her side. Her biggest problem is going to be obtaining the permission to present it in an open forum.

redison

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Stone Crosses and Latin Heart

Postby Jan » Fri Sep 02, 2005 8:28 pm

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J,s in the Sp,s

Postby bill711 » Sat Sep 03, 2005 12:22 am

JAN; Remember that HOME is where the HEART is!!! I love the pic,s.. Could it be from his stone house ?? bill 8)

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Plucking Out The Heart

Postby Joe Ribaudo » Sat Sep 03, 2005 12:55 am

Late,

"the direction of my mine is the narrow gorge. Observe the triangle in the middle of the heart."

So if you have all three in sight, while standing in one place, what does it mean? If I were to take you to such a place, would you know where to go from there? Would you also need to throw the Stone Maps into the mix?

Respectfully,

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Three Stones

Postby Joe Ribaudo » Sat Sep 03, 2005 12:59 am

Jan,

There is some meaning to the fact that your picture shows three stones, but for the life of me, I can't remember what it is.

Nice artifacts.

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Three stones in the picture

Postby Jan » Sat Sep 03, 2005 4:25 pm

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J.s in the sup,s

Postby bill711 » Sun Sep 04, 2005 12:44 am

Jan I,m still studying the 3 Vs the 1 ExPerment? I don,t have the time right now. Now don,t get exited But I think Joe had sompin in mind when he asked his questions. Bill 8)

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Joe's question

Postby Jan » Sun Sep 04, 2005 8:50 am

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J,s in the Sup,s

Postby bill711 » Sun Sep 04, 2005 12:27 pm

Ok Jan I think Joe was asking if you think there was any significents in there being 3 stones? bill 8)

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Postby Joe Ribaudo » Mon Sep 05, 2005 11:04 pm

What just happened?

I thought we were doing swell. Let's talk about what's bothering you.

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Postby maryk » Thu Sep 08, 2005 5:57 am

Joe,

I'm sure there is some meaning to the fact that she has left, but for the life of me, I can't remember what it is.

MK

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Postby murphy » Thu Sep 08, 2005 8:09 am

Jan,
I have enjoyed your posts, you bring a different perspective, and what apprears to be a solid research background to the forum. But, you need to take your own advise and get your marbles back in play. There is no way we are always going to aggree on every topic or even how it is presented. Many of us just need to grow thicker skin and not grab on to every disagreement as a personal attack. Just my oppinion.
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J,s in the Sup,s

Postby bill711 » Thu Sep 08, 2005 7:06 pm

To All; Since when has a QUESTION or a COMMENT become an ATTACK on another member??? bill 8)

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Deleated

Postby Joe Ribaudo » Fri Sep 09, 2005 2:09 am

Now Jesse,

I was being pretty nice there. No need to deleat a post that tells it like it is. Good thing I backed it up on the First Amendment Forum. :)

Keep up the good work, I was just seeing if you were on your toes.

Respectfully,

Joe Ribaudo