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downsizing the elderly

Postby don » Thu Oct 20, 2011 5:17 am

"Interesting" subject being raised over here in Britain.....apparently charitiesand,some government ministers(conservative) apart from blaming much of our demise on the fact that the younger generation have to support the retired and non productive population,they now believe that older people who own a house which has more space than they need should be "forced" to downsize to smaller properties to allow younger families houses with more room.I doubt whether this would apply to the queen and her mob,owning as they do buckingham palace ,windsor castle,and a host of other properties,but one can live in hope I guess.
If we were under the yoke of a socialist govt I could understand these issues being raised,but under a conservative govt?Nobody dares to mention that if we kicked out the immigrants the houdsing situation would improve overnight.Well if anyone knocks at my door with an official demand to get out and downsize ,Im afraid he will receive the rough edge of my tongue in response.Plus Id burn the house down before some foreigner moved in.
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Re: downsizing the elderly

Postby Joe Ribaudo » Thu Aug 23, 2012 10:15 am

Senior Alert!

Are your Medicare benefits really going to stay the same under Obamacare, as President Obama says they are?


Here is the rest of the story:


President Obama has said that seniors will not be affected by the 716 billion dollar cut to Medicare – only doctors, providers and insurance companies. Yet, you may have noticed that many doctors are not accepting Medicare patients; medical equipment providers are going out of business; and next year you can expect to pay about 40 percent more in insurance premiums for less coverage.


So while you will still have Medicare, you will find it increasingly difficult and more expensive to get the services and products you need. Doctors say these payment reductions would cripple their practices and make it difficult for them to see Medicare patients, especially since Medicare already pays doctors less than private plans. Equipment providers face mandatory prepayment reviews, delays and denials.


So here’s the bottom line: President Obama leaves the $716 billion in Medicare reductions in place, and he spends the money again to create a vast new Obamacare entitlement program. Paul Ryan doesn’t double-count this money. His budget leaves the Medicare payment cuts in place, but also creates a plan to make the program more efficient by injecting market forces through competition and consumer choice. Ryan’s premium-support model would require health plans to compete for the business of future seniors by offering better benefits at lower prices. Seniors would be guaranteed coverage because Medicare would fully cover the premium costs of the second-lowest-cost plan or the cost of traditional Medicare, whichever is lower. Those who are older or sicker, or have lower incomes, would get additional help.


Don’t be fooled. Obamacare will be paid for on the backs of seniors. You will still have Medicare, but you will be unable to find providers to provide you with the services and medical equipment you need.

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Re: downsizing the elderly

Postby don » Wed Aug 29, 2012 1:18 pm

...and so endeth the republican party political broadcast.......subtitled"back to the thirties"
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Re: downsizing the elderly

Postby Joe Ribaudo » Wed Aug 29, 2012 2:19 pm

Don,

You have no idea what you are talking about.

We are in the business of supplying seniors with medical equipment, through Medicare. We deal with this problem every day. Providers are going out of business, regularly, because they can't get Medicare to pay for the products they have already provided the patients. Many doctors and hospitals will no longer accept Medicare assignment.

The IRS took over the approval process of deciding who is eligible for what products and care. 8O

Thanks for your input, but don't imagine for a minute that you have this whole problem figured out, or know where I am coming from.

Take care,

Joe

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Re: downsizing the elderly

Postby don » Thu Aug 30, 2012 6:34 am

Joe,
Thanks for your vote of confidence in my ability to understand the issues :D
Maybe your "misgivings" about how that particular set of issues is progressing is valid,maybe its not,Im no expert.Maybe your complaint should have been worded differently,because overall it came across as less to do with Obama and medicare and more to do with voting the Republicans back in power. One might be cynical and say that certain "bodies" are doing everything in their power to destroy in their infancy the plans regarding Obamas health care changes.Im sure patients needs will be the least of the worries in the minds of insurance companies and private health providers who stand to lose a lot of money because of the changes.......The IRS arent the most popular band of people around in any country,but all things considered they must be preferable to the icons of corporate greed that fester and control so much of our life both there and here. ......as for the critiscism of obama wghich appears (and i did say appears) to be the focal point of your argument,well...hes not perfect... but surely help and hope is preferable to spite and fear.
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Re: downsizing the elderly

Postby Joe Ribaudo » Thu Aug 30, 2012 9:31 am

Don,

In case you hadn't noticed, the stated objective of the radical Muslim leadership, is to destroy Israel and America, and convert the entire world to the Muslim faith.

If Israel is destroyed, will you feel any safer in Great Britain? They are already taking control of your streets, when they want to, and soon they will take control of your entire country. Can't happen, right? Perhaps a quick re-readof your history might open your eyes to the.....possibility.

If that time should ever come, would you hope that Barack Obama is still president of the United States, or do you think your country might be better off with the Republicans in power?

President Obama has an agenda to turn America into a third rate power in the world. To that end, he is destroying our economy, faith and military. Having read his books prior to 2008, we knew what was in store for the country if he was elected. You can read my warnings on this forum.

I believe we are better equipped to judge what is going on here, and what President Obama's agenda for the country is, since we live it every day. It's not just that he was not qualified to be president, still isn't, it's his background and upbringing. If you really want to know what's going on, read "Dreams Of My Father".

I don't care if the president is Republican, Democrat, Black, White, Yellow or Green. I care that he loves our country and wants to leave it better than how he found it. Everything is fine here and in your country, "until we run out of other people's money".

Take care,

Joe

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Re: downsizing the elderly

Postby don » Fri Aug 31, 2012 6:07 am

Hi Joe,
I cant argue that there is no extremist muslim threat,but however dont really agree with your belief that obamas avowed intent is to reduce America to a banana republic,while ensuring every american is swallowed up islam.I believe thats scare mongering ,which both parties there,and all parties here indulge in.Youve asked me if I would feel safer if Israel was destroyed ,by Iran presumabley,of course the answer is no.But there again I wouldnt feel any safer if Israel or America attacked Iran either. I believe the Iranian presidents words are really for the Iranians ears and public opinion over there.What point would there be in attacking israel with nuclear missiles,knowing that the nuclear response from israel would most likely be within seconds.The iranians might be rabid towards the west ,but they are also pragmatic.
Im equally concerned about the right wing christian evangelical mob ,who have wheedled their way into american politic too,they ,given the power ,are equally dangerous to world peace.Some of these people are probabley praying for america or israel to attack iran so that armageddon can begin,and they,the chosen ones can be raised up and watch the final battle while sitting at gods table.The point is that there are loonys of every religious persuasion,its not just muslims.And any of these people,both muslim or christian can act independently ,or in groups to commit some dastardly atrocity somewhere-sometime. We had two major wars last century ,and the world is the same shithole it always was..when will we learn?
If the next war begins,or rather WHEN the next war begins ,i wont care whos in charge,and it wont matter,the end result will be the same.hope that answers your question.
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Re: downsizing the elderly

Postby Joe Ribaudo » Fri Aug 31, 2012 10:03 am

Don,

"I'm equally concerned about the right wing Christian evangelical mob ,who have wheedled their way into American politic too,they ,given the power ,are equally dangerous to world peace.Some of these people are probabley praying for America or Israel to attack Iran so that Armageddon can begin,and they,the chosen ones can be raised up and watch the final battle while sitting at gods table."

Talk about "fear mongering". What evidence can you present, for this time in the world, that a focused group/mob of Evangelical Christian's are cutting the heads off of random victims, blowing themselves up....along with innocent people or flying passenger planes full of innocent people into skyscrapers full of more innocent victims? Are you really "equally concerned"?

"We had two major wars last century ,and the world is the same shithole it always was..when will we learn? If the next war begins,or rather WHEN the next war begins ,I wont care whos in charge,and it wont matter,the end result will be the same."

So, in your opinion, the last "two major wars" made no difference to the world that you live in? England would been no different if Hitler had won? The american blood that was spilled and lives lost meant nothing?

If you can show me some correlation in what the Christian world is actually doing today, and what Muslims are doing in the name of Allah, please enlighten me.

Your emotion's will never take the place of the lessons of history, which you should have taken more notice of. Right now, history is screaming at you to pay attention.

Take care,

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Re: downsizing the elderly

Postby don » Fri Aug 31, 2012 1:26 pm

joe,
" What evidence can i present that christian groups are cutting peoples heads off ?" I never said they were. I was refferring to the extreme (in any sensible persons eyes) christian groups who seem to be prevelant in american politics..or at least gaining access to political circles and so on and so forth. "soldiers for god" is one way some of them describe themselves,there are a few other titles they bestow upon themselves which I cant bring to mind at the moment,but I m sure you are aware of them anyway.Potentially they are every bit as dangerous as the extreme muslims we all despise.And of course if we look at the lessons of history as you suggest we do,then you may well come to the conclusion that perhaps these middle eastern countries have good reason at best to be suspicious of the west,and at worst hate and loathe us both for our actions in the past (and present) and of course for our motives.Again I say one cant condemn each and every muslim because of the actions of a few.Otherwise we might as well condemn every gun owning american because of the gun toting actions of two madmen at columbine and all the other shooting sprees by madmen in other parts of america. " Did the last two major wars not make any difference to the world,and would england be the same if hitler had won?" you ask of me..I didnt say that it didnt make a difference....I said in essence,2 world wars later,10 s of millions dead because of them ,and here we are again gearing up for war again,or most likely will be if the republicans get back in office.So that was the reason why i said "will we ever learn"..in short i repeat the world is still the shithole it always was. ....Its one thing defending yourself against an aggressor,and quite another going about looking for someone to fight with.....as the west did with iraq for instance,which of course saddled us with the issues we have today unfortunately.we in the west ,not entirely maybe,but certainly partly at least ,atre architects of our own misfortunes .
" can you show me a christian who commits appalling crimes like the muslims do?"youve asked.....its a silly question,but ok I believe they guy in sweden who shot those 70-80 immigrants irecently ,and whose trial has only just finished was a christian ,and according to him he has lots of like minded mates only too willing to carry on the "good work"....maybe you might suggest declaring war on swededn too? Christian westerners arent always right,and foreigners wrong joe..patriotism is ok to a certain degree,but blind patriotism is the logic of the assylum.that kind of patriotism served hitler and the ss battallions well.blind faith is even worse.......Now please dont twist what ive said into a supposed love for jihad or people who dive bomb planes into buildings,or blow up childrens nurseries etc..because it isnt. having said that its precisely what we did to iraq,but hey ho.
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Re: downsizing the elderly

Postby Joe Ribaudo » Sun Sep 02, 2012 8:19 pm

Don,

[" What evidence can i present that christian groups are cutting peoples heads off ?" I never said they were. I was refferring to the extreme (in any sensible persons eyes) christian groups who seem to be prevelant in american politics.]

Alright.......What "extreme" acts have these "christian groups" done, that would make you
"equally concerned" about them, as you are with the Muslim terrorists? Do you consider a
Christian group working within the system to change the politics of America as dangerous as
any group of terrorists?

If they are "prevelant in american politics", in your eyes, you should have no trouble naming one or two of these groups, or citing a few things they have done to put them on an equal footing with what is being done in the name of Allah.

Thanks for your reply.

Take care,

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Re: downsizing the elderly

Postby don » Mon Sep 03, 2012 12:37 pm

Joe, you are asking me questions you allready know the answer to in the main.Or You appear to be one of the few who know nothing of the evangelical christians crowd growing influence in republican affairs.They played a large part in supporting g.bush in his election victories,if thats not enough to condemn them,on iyts on i dont know what is.Maybe if you are truly ignorant of this state of affairs,as you claim to be,you might try typing in the moral majority, NAR,or maybe even Rick perry,or maybe even reagans ridicolous statements about armageddon for what their worth.You might even investigate the christian rights rabid support for almost everything that relates to israels foreign policy,and go on from there. Ive really not the time to seek out and post hundreds of links on here,especially as you are aware of these things anyway. And if you argue that the christian right have no say in poliytical issues then maybe investigate a little further.Its well documented.So its on that basis i say they are potentially as dangerous to world peace as your bogeymen in the muslim world are."do i view christian groups working within the political system to change society as dangerous as terrorists?" Well thats a bit of a sea change from you....first you act as though theres no such issue...now it seems you are saying there is,but its ok?.....my answer is of course it is,religion should have no place in politics-none at all.....to seek to legitimise any attack on iran with the explanation that it was prophecised in the bible and so on and so forth sounds pretty dangerous to me......ok you are now going to ask me again "how many christian groupds chop peoples heads off?" well in the past it was quite a popular remedy employed by the christian groups..even now in ireland we have catholic and protestant groups doing similar things i.e killing by gunfire,petrol bombs or even by hurling chunks of masonry at each other......nothing is different-only the uniform.
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