Ten Years From Now

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Knun
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Re: Ten Years From Now

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Here is our future.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/electio ... -ward.html

The asshats can say what they want but this is one person's plight under socialised medicine. One person too many I might add. Yet this is the vision of social reform according to the progressive leftists.

It's a few years out for us unless we kick this political foolishness to the curb and actually do what is needed.
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Re: Ten Years From Now

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Don.
i re-read your post, which I found disturbing the first time, and would like to make some obsevations primarily for the my fellow colonists. I doubt you will find my observations to your liking since they will be critical of your point of view but I, for one, am thankful of your personal insight. Thank you.

Don said:
.....Quite honestly I was amazed ,though its no secret that the NHS has had better days,I didnt think it had reached as bad a state as that.Ive had no alternative but to have it done privately (a month ago) Im rapidly coming to conclusion that something must be awfully wrong....either the money that is paid into health contributions doesnt reach the NHS..or as a possible alternative not enough money is paid in to fund a meaningful service.Too many administrators....too much political interference ..not enough qualified staff...whatever.
Who amoung us, here in the states, finds this surprising? The result is a fore gone conclusion. It is just a matter of time. But as you read this quote, for Don, this is a revelation of sorts. He has grown up with the socialist dogma firmly implanted in his ideals. The idea that helping everyone obtain an equal footing and place in society hits him in the core. When the obvious fallicy was exposed..well you see his thoughts. Soon many of us could look at life as he does. For us this needs to be a wake up call. We all know the government is wasteful of OUR money, totally ineffecient, and currupt. They cannot possibly succeed at anything they set out to do. The cost will ALWAYS be at the expense of the common man that pays taxes. All are created equal by God but what you do with it is up to you...not the government. With that said those that cannot help themselves due to limitations should be helped even though they were also created equal but with god given limitations. Being an immigrant is not a limtation. Having twelve children is not a limitation. Being a drug addict is not a limitation. Being a artist is not a limitation. Being lazy is not a limitation.

Ive now reached the stage where my attitude is "to hell with fairness.."...."to hell with social justice." and instead im going to take the "Im allright Jack and let the devil take the hindmost" approach purely in a manner of self preservation and selgf interest I guess....at least in the matter of health care....its sad but.......the alternatives are quite quite pointless.
I really struggle responding to this. I have to hold back. I find it disturbing that Don has a need to discribe helping himself get the care he needs in this manner. His socialist upbringing comes through as appologetic. As though he broke a solemn vow by getting the medical need fulfilled because he had the means to do so. I'll help you out and make you feel worse. Don, you bumped someone who truly needed that operation and couldn't afford it.They were probably scheduled for your slot, had been waiting in pain for six years, and you bumped them because you paid to cut in line. Of course that's a crock. The system is in shambles. Very few get what they need when they need it. You pay the taxes and no one gets what they need when they need it. But here in the United States everyone will get that service and operation in a timely manner. You see here, we actually take care of ours without socialized anything. All these years you've been fed a bill of goods. We, right now are being fed that same bill of goods and folks are buying into it hook line and sinker like you did.

The redeeming fact for us may be timing. Us accross the pond have seemed to benefit from timing quite frequently in our history and we may benefit once again. The fact that the world was running on credit for awhile now may work to our advantage. As the Euro folds under the weight of socialism and our dollar under the burden of pent up debt you folks will soon have to step away from our umbrella of spending, protect yourselves wholely under your flag, and curb spending at the expense of social spending.
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Re: Ten Years From Now

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Knun,
I believe in fair play for everyone...social justice for everyone ...health care (the best available) for everyone..perhaps I was guilty of being too naive in thinking its attainable...perhaps naive in thinking that everyone would "do their share" to put a fairer world in place....of course there is a large minority who want the benefits but none of the responsibilities...there comes a time when even such as I have to bow to the inevitable ,and maybe see what was staring me in the face all the while.I still believe in the ideal,(not of Socialism itself) ,but of certain essential services (hospitals etc) practising their trade ,not in the interest of profit,but in the interest of its patients,who theoretically would pay through contributions through their working life for themselves and others.......its not working....maybe the problem isnt only the beaurocracy,politics etc....perhaps its the human condition too,and I doubt that will ever change.......Unbridled and unfettered socialism is bad,but there again,in my opinion unfettered Capitalism....or Capitalism with no conscience is just as bad ,but in different ways.....frankly Ive given up..whatever political system is in power we have to get along and do our best ,not because of it....but in spite of it.
I think weve all got quite a shock coming rather soon when the impact of the financial mess really hits us...the printing of money,extra borrowing which has cushioned the effects etc obviously cant continue.....the looming cuts could lead to all manner of things both here and there.....civil unrest certainly,overthrow of govts by violent means even perhaps.......maybe even WW3.....But your right as far as Britain is concerned,weve got to support ourselves,nobody else will-indeed why should they? Were only a small island-we have to export goods to survive,if we dont export -we die economically.....maybe this present mess will serve as a catalyst to real and sensible reform of the important things..personally i doubt it but....
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Don,
You say you believe in fair play for everyone. But I must ask you where in the whole world is that true? You have been programmed to do the bidding of those in power. Do they wait for a hernia operation?

You realise the NHS just decided to DENY hernia operations. If a poor person needed one he would now have to go to France to leech on them to get his treatment. He no longer has the option of waiting six years. I guess you folks are simply not taxed enough to provide that for the poor of your country.

What of the concept of providing for you and yours? Your resources are limited and if everyone provided for themselves, with minimal governmental interference what could you achieve? Of course with that idea taxes would be reduced and your choices would go up. Of course then taking care of gypsies and immigrants would not be viable to the majority...they would be responsible for them and theirs.

Don,
I believe you have been fed a bill of goods. Fair play for everyone is total and complete bullshit. Your leaders do not believe that fallicy. They get what they need when they need it. They only talk of fair play for votes. If you hand out candy you can grab the brass ring and no longer worry about fair play.

Take care of you and yours and give as much as you can to whoever you choose. Give it to any government and they'll screw it up. They spend 95 cents to ensure no one steals the dollar and most dollars will be stolen anyway. Much of it by the folks that got the 95 cents.

Europe is in schambles due to the socialist agenda. Greece is simply a little fish with a disease that the big fish see on themselves. This liberal, socialist crap has run it's course and we are all at the brink.
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