Hey Don,
I went into Walgreens today. Wlagreens has a pharmacy and is a chain over here.
They had a big promotional sign out. You join their club (mailing list) they offer $1 generic scripts. They have over 400 available.
My Insurance promotes the use of generic scripts. They also promote the use of 90 day supplies for drugs at a discount.
Walmart also offers a comprable program.
With my insurance I have no restrictions on the drugs I can obtain for my illnesses. As long as the FDA approved them. So here in Arizona even the poorest of the poor have access to more drugs than you do. Since there coverage is the exact same as mine.
As a matter of fact the poor are in a better situation than both of us. If the drugs are so exspensive that they exceed 3 million dollars I would have to start selling things. They simply continue on with their treatment.
A treatment you very well may not have access to from the get go.
Ten Years From Now
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pippinwhitepaws
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you really need to read more than cereal box tops kunn.
the us has the highest infant mortality rate of any industrialized nation.
the us is at the bottom of all industrialized nations in quality of life after 60.
whew...you're not even worth the effort to educate kunn.
hurry up and do those drugs...since that is the scale you use to qualify health care.
oh...those damn socialists at the va give out drugs like candy. only the fools take them.
the us has the highest infant mortality rate of any industrialized nation.
the us is at the bottom of all industrialized nations in quality of life after 60.
whew...you're not even worth the effort to educate kunn.
hurry up and do those drugs...since that is the scale you use to qualify health care.
oh...those damn socialists at the va give out drugs like candy. only the fools take them.
knun
since they are making a profit at $1 per script think of how they are raking it in when they charge $10 or $200 per script. they sure are a bunch of crooks. no wonder arizonans prefer to shop for their scripts in mexico. viva la libre mexico!!! enough of the banana republic, for profit, medical system we are forced to endure by the drug manufacturers and insurance corporations. let americans choose between a govt policy or a corporate policy. why are you right wings nuts afraid to give us the choice????? does freedom of choice rub you the wrong way???They had a big promotional sign out. You join their club (mailing list) they offer $1 generic scripts. They have over 400 available.
joe
dont get me wrong. i see nothing wrong with making a profit from a business venture. what i object to is businessmen calling their profit motivated ventures acts of selfless charity. its a fucking sham. you are in it for the money just as any business is. why not admit to that. there is nothing to be ashamed of when making an honest buck for goods or services.
did you spend the last 20 years helping the elderly without making a profit from that help????I have spent the last 20 years helping the elderly.
dont get me wrong. i see nothing wrong with making a profit from a business venture. what i object to is businessmen calling their profit motivated ventures acts of selfless charity. its a fucking sham. you are in it for the money just as any business is. why not admit to that. there is nothing to be ashamed of when making an honest buck for goods or services.
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Money......
lbj,
Your comments really show what kind of a person you are. You know nothing about us, yet you believe you can judge our motives for the work we do, and attack us for it. It's not the first time I have been attacked for doing something that I can always be proud of. My mistake is putting so much of my private and professional life on a public forum. In doing that, I have attracted the jealousy of a number of small minded people who have nothing in their own life to be proud of.
The other mistake I have made, is exchanging posts with such losers.
Have a nice life,
Joe Ribaudo
Your comments really show what kind of a person you are. You know nothing about us, yet you believe you can judge our motives for the work we do, and attack us for it. It's not the first time I have been attacked for doing something that I can always be proud of. My mistake is putting so much of my private and professional life on a public forum. In doing that, I have attracted the jealousy of a number of small minded people who have nothing in their own life to be proud of.
The other mistake I have made, is exchanging posts with such losers.
Have a nice life,
Joe Ribaudo
Another story from across the pond.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ilets.html
Coming to a town near you.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ilets.html
One way to save public money once you've spent every single dime...I guess.Latest figures show that over the past two years there were at least:
63 births in ambulances and 608 in transit to hospitals;
117 births in A&E departments, four in minor injury units and two in medical assessment areas;
115 births on other hospital wards and 36 in other unspecified areas including corridors;
399 in parts of maternity units other than labour beds, including postnatal and antenatal wards and reception areas.
Additionally, overstretched maternity units shut their doors to any more women in labour on 553 occasions last year.
Babies were born in offices, lifts, toilets and a caravan, according to the Freedom of Information data for 2007 and 2008 from 117 out of 147 trusts which provide maternity services.
One woman gave birth in a lift while being transferred to a labour ward from A&E while another gave birth in a corridor, said East Cheshire NHS Trust.
Others said women had to give birth on the wards - rather than in their own maternity room - because the delivery suites were full.
Coming to a town near you.
knun
why do you bother wasting your time reading such nonsense stats? go cut the waist high grass around your mobile home.
my, my all those numbers tumbling around in that little mind of yours. must drive you nuts. oh ya, that is how right wing nuts are hatched.One way to save public money once you've spent every single dime...I guess.
Coming to a town near you.
why do you bother wasting your time reading such nonsense stats? go cut the waist high grass around your mobile home.
Hopefully lbj feels as though he actually said soething in that last post.
For everyone else, sorry you lost the two minutes of your life.
Anyway, back to the topic.
Here's a vid about what we can expect in the Obama future. This is Canada's real world right now with this socialised drival.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4u5x9XA ... r_embedded
For everyone else, sorry you lost the two minutes of your life.
Anyway, back to the topic.
Here's a vid about what we can expect in the Obama future. This is Canada's real world right now with this socialised drival.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4u5x9XA ... r_embedded
From the UK:
Basically a story about people being denied access to drugs they need.
But the Gov'mt knows best.....not your doctor!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/artic ... octor.html
Basically a story about people being denied access to drugs they need.
But the Gov'mt knows best.....not your doctor!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/artic ... octor.html
Another sad tale from the UK.
A premature baby is denied care because he was born 2 days earlier than the hospital guidelines allowed. So the baby died after two hours with only his mothers comfort.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... limit.html
A premature baby is denied care because he was born 2 days earlier than the hospital guidelines allowed. So the baby died after two hours with only his mothers comfort.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... limit.html
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knun,
looks like that baby got american, private style health care. the condition was not covered by the policy.
however, the policy in the brit case was based on sound medical principles
from cigna web site
looks like that baby got american, private style health care. the condition was not covered by the policy.
however, the policy in the brit case was based on sound medical principles
while private american insurance policies are based on what is profitable.The guidance, drawn up by the Nuffield Council, is not compulsory but advises doctors that medical intervention for very premature children is not in the best interests of the baby, and is not 'standard practice'.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z0R95p8FSd
from cigna web site
CIGNA Corporation and its subsidiaries constitute one of the largest investor owned health and related benefits organizations in the United States.
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Lbj,
This story has absolutely nothing to do with
1) Notice I stated that it was The hospital's guideline. Not that of Nice. The hospital guideline was more leaniant than the NICE guideline but was based on Nice. They reached a point two days before saving the child, or trying to save the child, would have been inacted. But their "guideline" was enough to prevent treatment.
2) "Not in the best interest of the baby".....and folks are condeming the use of the term death panels in our discussion here! This baby...this living person was ALIVE. Some beancounters decided it was in his best interest to die....and published it as a "guideline" so they were not culpable. Doctors in that hospital ( with the oath they took) turned away from that living breathing human being.
You said:
You talk of the need for socialized medicine where everyone is covered. Yet this socialised system says this living human is not entittled to care. It has no chance so let this person die. So where is that compassionate socialist point of view for this human?
Who else is not worthy of life? A 80 yr. old with demetia? A twenty year old "Helen Keller?"
It's a terrible story about a sad situation that the family did not want to happen. It's just plain wrong on almost every level and I can't believe you have even commented on this as you did.
Sound medical principles? Your kidding right?looks like that baby got american, private style health care. the condition was not covered by the policy.
however, the policy in the brit case was based on sound medical principles
This story has absolutely nothing to do with
. Our system has nothing to do with this story. It's about what happened in the UK. Deal with the facts, not what you "wish" was true.american, private style health care
Two things.The guidance, drawn up by the Nuffield Council, is not compulsory but advises doctors that medical intervention for very premature children is not in the best interests of the baby, and is not 'standard practice'.
1) Notice I stated that it was The hospital's guideline. Not that of Nice. The hospital guideline was more leaniant than the NICE guideline but was based on Nice. They reached a point two days before saving the child, or trying to save the child, would have been inacted. But their "guideline" was enough to prevent treatment.
2) "Not in the best interest of the baby".....and folks are condeming the use of the term death panels in our discussion here! This baby...this living person was ALIVE. Some beancounters decided it was in his best interest to die....and published it as a "guideline" so they were not culpable. Doctors in that hospital ( with the oath they took) turned away from that living breathing human being.
You said:
What does that have to do with a story about a baby being left to die in the UK as everyone simply walked away?CIGNA Corporation and its subsidiaries constitute one of the largest investor owned health and related benefits organizations in the United States.
You talk of the need for socialized medicine where everyone is covered. Yet this socialised system says this living human is not entittled to care. It has no chance so let this person die. So where is that compassionate socialist point of view for this human?
Who else is not worthy of life? A 80 yr. old with demetia? A twenty year old "Helen Keller?"
It's a terrible story about a sad situation that the family did not want to happen. It's just plain wrong on almost every level and I can't believe you have even commented on this as you did.
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Hi,
Some of the horror stories Knun relates are most probabley true..albeit in some cases exaggerated........but the so called socialized medecine issue vs private health is not quite as straightforward. The NHS is paid for by contributions from tax payers (workers) the private system is paid for also by contributions (in a different form) by taxpaying workers also....theres not a great deal of difference.The whole idea of socialised medecine is that everyone pays in and everyone can potentially claim health care..there is nothing wrong in that idealogy.....one can argue that it doesnt always work perfectly,but then again what does?
Srtrangely enough the main problems centre around hygeine probs in hospitals......the cleaning depts,sanitation and related depts...all of which since around the 80s have been contracted out to PRIVATE companies....companies which pay lowest possible wages to their staff,allow the minimum times possible for their staff to complete those duties etc......the result has been obvious ,and only belatedly has it raised alarm at the highest levels,though nhs staff have been comnplaining for a decade and more......a certain level of privatisation has also been introduced into the managerial side,again since mid 80s......a target motivated system i.e number of ops performed per month etc,with it seems little regard or distinction between minor ops and major ops.....these managers are concerned with numbers only..........in other words its the profit motive,its that more than anything that has dragged the NHS down.
Having said that,for the majority it works well....and of course remember the NHS serves the WHOLE population and not just the priviliged few.....resources are not bottomless.British politicians are like american politicians,they give not one fig for the population,be they socialist or capitalist...they will do for the people only as much as they have to do.They are quite happy to see private companies strangle the life out of ordinary folk in health as in anything else.......old peoples homes are a prime example........they are a disgrace...but so very lucrative,£600 a week on average here to be fed ,washed and generally treated like shit.......thats private health care..............
Some of the horror stories Knun relates are most probabley true..albeit in some cases exaggerated........but the so called socialized medecine issue vs private health is not quite as straightforward. The NHS is paid for by contributions from tax payers (workers) the private system is paid for also by contributions (in a different form) by taxpaying workers also....theres not a great deal of difference.The whole idea of socialised medecine is that everyone pays in and everyone can potentially claim health care..there is nothing wrong in that idealogy.....one can argue that it doesnt always work perfectly,but then again what does?
Srtrangely enough the main problems centre around hygeine probs in hospitals......the cleaning depts,sanitation and related depts...all of which since around the 80s have been contracted out to PRIVATE companies....companies which pay lowest possible wages to their staff,allow the minimum times possible for their staff to complete those duties etc......the result has been obvious ,and only belatedly has it raised alarm at the highest levels,though nhs staff have been comnplaining for a decade and more......a certain level of privatisation has also been introduced into the managerial side,again since mid 80s......a target motivated system i.e number of ops performed per month etc,with it seems little regard or distinction between minor ops and major ops.....these managers are concerned with numbers only..........in other words its the profit motive,its that more than anything that has dragged the NHS down.
Having said that,for the majority it works well....and of course remember the NHS serves the WHOLE population and not just the priviliged few.....resources are not bottomless.British politicians are like american politicians,they give not one fig for the population,be they socialist or capitalist...they will do for the people only as much as they have to do.They are quite happy to see private companies strangle the life out of ordinary folk in health as in anything else.......old peoples homes are a prime example........they are a disgrace...but so very lucrative,£600 a week on average here to be fed ,washed and generally treated like shit.......thats private health care..............
Don update your email address
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Don,
Thanks for wieighing in here. Your "boots on the ground" point of view provides prospective.
I've provided links to every single thing I've posted. All were from the UK media.
The thing I find interesting about your post is that you blame the "private" aspect of your healthcare system. Which is interesting simply because your socialist system allows some bureaucrat to hire them. If they are terrible you have no recourse. You can't "go somewhere else" for treatment. That right there is one of the fundamental arguements AGAINST socialised medicine. You know as well as I do if you looked into who got what contract there would be some relationship with a politician or burea-weenie. Or it's the cheapest option. Not necessarily the best option.
Thanks for wieighing in here. Your "boots on the ground" point of view provides prospective.
I've provided links to every single thing I've posted. All were from the UK media.
The thing I find interesting about your post is that you blame the "private" aspect of your healthcare system. Which is interesting simply because your socialist system allows some bureaucrat to hire them. If they are terrible you have no recourse. You can't "go somewhere else" for treatment. That right there is one of the fundamental arguements AGAINST socialised medicine. You know as well as I do if you looked into who got what contract there would be some relationship with a politician or burea-weenie. Or it's the cheapest option. Not necessarily the best option.
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Hi Knun,
Well its not strictly true that the British "cant go anywhere else" if the NHS isnt up to the standards they require.....There is a private alternative ....B.U.P.A is but one option,its a private health care co,with their own clinics ,hosps etc.They have been around dfor a while now,not sure when they began,but they were definitely around in the 80s.Full health cover for a monthly payment,and im sure some have found it to be a good thing....but it seems many have been dissilusioned with it too,maybe not having read the small print etc.....It seems to me the private health system here is like AOL(unlimited usage promised as long as you dont usse it too much) in other words what you are promised isnt the same as what you actually receive.
Of course for the very wealthy there are also Harley Street Doctors,some of the best physicians in the world there,but the prices are far beyond most people .I certainbly agree that the awarding of contracts in a lot of cases depends more on back handers and "cosy agreements" in private,thats sad ,but its how the world works. being a govt concern one would hope that those involved in those kind of agreements would be "brought to book",but of course the higher the corruption goes ,the less likely it is to be punished.
My argumewnt is not so much about whether the NHS is socialist inspired or not,its about the Aim -the idea that rich or poor,chronically sick ,long term sick,people who have no hope of a normal life from birth,should have treatment,drugs etc with no limits imposed....I believe we have that here..i also know we have waiting lists here too.....and in certain areas -in certain conditions,lack of resources,no point denying it.One can (and should) criticise thise shortcomings (i.m.0),but I dont believe the idea behind the construction of the NHS deserves criticism.
If you had an op in britain privately,you might well find that your surgeon who treats you privately,could well be the same guy who would operate on you if your op was performed by the NHS.......surgeons here commonly moonlight for private companies and vice versa......the reasons for that in one instance is obviously nothing to do with patient care ,its because of the higher fees paid by private health cos......when private surgeons work a few days /hours a week for the NHS i can only imagine its a matter of conscience.
Because im grateful for,and in favour of, the NHS doesnt mean im flying the red flag on the bonnet of my car
........the public gets conned by socialist govts,and conned by conservative governments......i gave up years ago.
regards
Well its not strictly true that the British "cant go anywhere else" if the NHS isnt up to the standards they require.....There is a private alternative ....B.U.P.A is but one option,its a private health care co,with their own clinics ,hosps etc.They have been around dfor a while now,not sure when they began,but they were definitely around in the 80s.Full health cover for a monthly payment,and im sure some have found it to be a good thing....but it seems many have been dissilusioned with it too,maybe not having read the small print etc.....It seems to me the private health system here is like AOL(unlimited usage promised as long as you dont usse it too much) in other words what you are promised isnt the same as what you actually receive.
Of course for the very wealthy there are also Harley Street Doctors,some of the best physicians in the world there,but the prices are far beyond most people .I certainbly agree that the awarding of contracts in a lot of cases depends more on back handers and "cosy agreements" in private,thats sad ,but its how the world works. being a govt concern one would hope that those involved in those kind of agreements would be "brought to book",but of course the higher the corruption goes ,the less likely it is to be punished.
My argumewnt is not so much about whether the NHS is socialist inspired or not,its about the Aim -the idea that rich or poor,chronically sick ,long term sick,people who have no hope of a normal life from birth,should have treatment,drugs etc with no limits imposed....I believe we have that here..i also know we have waiting lists here too.....and in certain areas -in certain conditions,lack of resources,no point denying it.One can (and should) criticise thise shortcomings (i.m.0),but I dont believe the idea behind the construction of the NHS deserves criticism.
If you had an op in britain privately,you might well find that your surgeon who treats you privately,could well be the same guy who would operate on you if your op was performed by the NHS.......surgeons here commonly moonlight for private companies and vice versa......the reasons for that in one instance is obviously nothing to do with patient care ,its because of the higher fees paid by private health cos......when private surgeons work a few days /hours a week for the NHS i can only imagine its a matter of conscience.
Because im grateful for,and in favour of, the NHS doesnt mean im flying the red flag on the bonnet of my car
........the public gets conned by socialist govts,and conned by conservative governments......i gave up years ago.regards
Don update your email address
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Don,
We discussed this quite a bit over the past few months. But when you said the following I think it condenses the discussion somewhat.
The difference between our system and any socialized system is our poor are treated long before yours or even you for that matter. Regardless of what you read, hear, or want to believe. The problems here revolve around cost, those in the middle who work but cannot afford insurance, and pre-existing conditions. None of which require a socialized system. Our system just needs to be "fixed.'
Don, When you start telling me about folks, rich let alone poor, going to the UK for treatment at a NHS faciulity then we can talk. Right now those that can came here or go to private facilities. No one willingly goes to a NHS facility. Your facilities are mediocritry at best.
We discussed this quite a bit over the past few months. But when you said the following I think it condenses the discussion somewhat.
Reading this it would seem you want those poor unforetunate folks that have no way of providing for themselves, to have healthcare with no limits imposed. I mentioned this in my posts to you multiple times. Over and over again...our system does just that for our folks. I guess you don't believe me but it's true. I pay $64 a month for the EXACT SAME CARE A INDIGENT GETS! We see the same doctor(if they CHOOSE the insurance I have). They have a choice as to what insurance they want. Just as I do. It is no different. Well it is different. I have some copays...they do not. My limit of coverage is 3 mil. Theirs is unlimited.My argumewnt is not so much about whether the NHS is socialist inspired or not,its about the Aim -the idea that rich or poor,chronically sick ,long term sick,people who have no hope of a normal life from birth,should have treatment,drugs etc with no limits imposed....I believe we have that here..i also know we have waiting lists here too.....and in certain areas -in certain conditions,lack of resources,no point denying it.One can (and should) criticise thise shortcomings (i.m.0),but I dont believe the idea behind the construction of the NHS deserves criticism.
The difference between our system and any socialized system is our poor are treated long before yours or even you for that matter. Regardless of what you read, hear, or want to believe. The problems here revolve around cost, those in the middle who work but cannot afford insurance, and pre-existing conditions. None of which require a socialized system. Our system just needs to be "fixed.'
Don, When you start telling me about folks, rich let alone poor, going to the UK for treatment at a NHS faciulity then we can talk. Right now those that can came here or go to private facilities. No one willingly goes to a NHS facility. Your facilities are mediocritry at best.
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knun,
there are NO $64 a month insurance options available in the us to adults. perhaps what you are talking about is a co-insurance you have on top of your social health care (medicare). thank jesus that you have socialized health care!
further, indigents do not receive private health insurance of their choosing paid for by the government. being indigent does not qualify one for any health coverage. people on welfare can choose from 2 or 3 very poor private health plans. these plans are extremely limited both in coverage, available doctors and facilities, and who can qualify. just being indigent is not enough to qualify.
knun, you really should look a bit deeper into the issues than simply accepting rush's pontifications as your guiding light to the truth. look at limpbough's history and you will conclude that he is an addict and pedophile much like ted haggard the infamous leader of the national association of evangelicals. do you really want to be associated with this group of degenerates????
at best you are being disingenuous. to be honest i cant tell if you really believe yourself or if you are a liar. neither option lends any credence to your statements.I pay $64 a month for the EXACT SAME CARE A INDIGENT GETS!
there are NO $64 a month insurance options available in the us to adults. perhaps what you are talking about is a co-insurance you have on top of your social health care (medicare). thank jesus that you have socialized health care!
further, indigents do not receive private health insurance of their choosing paid for by the government. being indigent does not qualify one for any health coverage. people on welfare can choose from 2 or 3 very poor private health plans. these plans are extremely limited both in coverage, available doctors and facilities, and who can qualify. just being indigent is not enough to qualify.
knun, you really should look a bit deeper into the issues than simply accepting rush's pontifications as your guiding light to the truth. look at limpbough's history and you will conclude that he is an addict and pedophile much like ted haggard the infamous leader of the national association of evangelicals. do you really want to be associated with this group of degenerates????
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Lbj,
I do pay $64 a month for my health care. This includes all dependants and a spouse (or same sex partner). It will not cover hetro couples living together...go figure!
It covers "out of area" dependants as well. That is why I'm paying so much. This coverage includes as many dependants as I have under my roof for that same amount.
Might I suggest you actually look at the ACHSS website and do a bit of research. Going with what you've been told is not working so good for you.
I do pay $64 a month for my health care. This includes all dependants and a spouse (or same sex partner). It will not cover hetro couples living together...go figure!
It covers "out of area" dependants as well. That is why I'm paying so much. This coverage includes as many dependants as I have under my roof for that same amount.
Look, if you don't know what you are talking about then don't simply make things up. To say there are NO $64 a month options available is totally incorrect. That is what I pay. I am not old enough for medicare but work for a company that provides healthcare benefits. Yes they pay half. So if you walk in off the street you would pay much more. But I am not alone. Hence 75% of Americans happy with what they have today.there are NO $64 a month insurance options available in the us to adults. perhaps what you are talking about is a co-insurance you have on top of your social health care (medicare). thank jesus that you have socialized health care!
Once again you are quite wrong. Anyone that applies for ACHSS will have the exact same choices I have. I know because a person I know quite well pointed out, when we were discussing healthcare, her options were the EXACT SAME AS MINE. This was in my doctor's office waiting room. I have five options to choose from for healthcare insurance. Some cost more some cost less. She had the exact same five choices to choose from. Indigents simply have to apply for ACHSS. If they don't do that basic thing they simply become one of the uninsured statistics Obama is so worried about.further, indigents do not receive private health insurance of their choosing paid for by the government. being indigent does not qualify one for any health coverage. people on welfare can choose from 2 or 3 very poor private health plans. these plans are extremely limited both in coverage, available doctors and facilities, and who can qualify. just being indigent is not enough to qualify.
Once again I use facts to expose you as a simple political tool. How many times are you going to come back for more?knun, you really should look a bit deeper into the issues than simply accepting rush's pontifications as your guiding light to the truth.
Might I suggest you actually look at the ACHSS website and do a bit of research. Going with what you've been told is not working so good for you.
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knun
which plan and with which company?I do pay $64 a month for my health care.
75% of americans do not have coverage so your assertion of happiness is bullshit.Hence 75% of Americans happy with what they have today.
a friend of mine told me so.... what crap. dont tell me what someone told you. tell me what you read on that wall. you are so full of right wing shit you dont even realize its backed up to your throat and coming out your mouth.Once again you are quite wrong. Anyone that applies for ACHSS will have the exact same choices I have. I know because a person I know quite well pointed out, when we were discussing healthcare, her options were the EXACT SAME AS MINE. This was in my doctor's office waiting room. I have five options to choose from for healthcare insurance.
more right wing lies. anyone can apply but very few qualify. of course it never entered your pea brain that the ones who need mental health care the most are also the ones least likely to apply for it because their heads are fucked up. what cabbage patch did your mama find you under?Indigents simply have to apply for ACHSS.
what an asshole. you believe everything you read in a government web site?? go to the white house web site and than kiss obamas ass cause his web site is wonderful. did the achss site tell you that they outsource all their client services? christ how fucking dumb are you?Might I suggest you actually look at the ACHSS website and do a bit of research. Going with what you've been told is not working so good for you.
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Not when Bush was in office, but now that our loving leader is in office I would think only truth........you believe everything you read in a government web site??
Whatever.
Sorry but my post is yours to prove wrong. Not mine to prove correct. I told you it was true so prove me wrong. Everything I posted is fact....something you cannot deal with. If you think it is not prove it. I have done that to your so called facts over and over again.
Look if you want to actually have creedance in what you say you have to actually work at it. If you simply want to say what you handlers tell you to say you have to deal with facts.
Right now you look like an idiot once again.
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knun
you made statements without giving the facts, for instance you said your insurance costs $64 per month. To prove you right or wrong we need the name of your insurance company and which plan you subscribe to.
you made statements without giving the facts, for instance you said your insurance costs $64 per month. To prove you right or wrong we need the name of your insurance company and which plan you subscribe to.
knun, you are an asshole. i posted a fact now prove me wrong. it's not up to me to prove i am correct.Sorry but my post is yours to prove wrong. Not mine to prove correct. I told you it was true so prove me wrong. Everything I posted is fact....something you cannot deal with. If you think it is not prove it. I have done that to your so called facts over and over again.
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I was wrong about the price. I changed from Cigna to Blue Cross. It's now 78/month. 15 copay with 80/20 up to 1500 then nothing. Had to change due to personal reasons.
As for the plan all I have is a number.
You want me to hook you up or are you good with your plan?
As for the plan all I have is a number.
You want me to hook you up or are you good with your plan?
Re: Ten Years From Now
Just thought Id like to comment here again about all things private and public healthcare...at least here in britain,cos thats all im qualified (in a laymans way) to talk about.
I believe that the thought behind Obamas health care plan is a good and decent thought,same as the idea behind the British NHS is /was a good and decent thought.And of course like anything else it has to be paid for..in this case by taxes in one shape or another.
However Ive had quite a shock recently ,having suffered with a Hernia...quite a large one...and fucking painful too lol.After the usual tests and suchlike,and the diagnosis of the hernia,Ive been told that I can expect to wait approxiametely 6 years on the waiting list before its operated upon.....Quite honestly I was amazed ,though its no secret that the NHS has had better days,I didnt think it had reached as bad a state as that.Ive had no alternative but to have it done privately (a month ago) Im rapidly coming to conclusion that something must be awfully wrong....either the money that is paid into health contributions doesnt reach the NHS..or as a possible alternative not enough money is paid in to fund a meaningful service.Too many administrators....too much political interference ..not enough qualified staff...whatever.
Ive now reached the stage where my attitude is "to hell with fairness.."...."to hell with social justice." and instead im going to take the "Im allright Jack and let the devil take the hindmost" approach purely in a manner of self preservation and selgf interest I guess....at least in the matter of health care....its sad but.......the alternatives are quite quite pointless.
Is that the same future that awaits health care in America? I dont know..I think it might be..I hope its not......whats the old saying about the road to hell is paved with good intentions? Perhaps you lot might do it better than we did...lets hope so.
regards
I believe that the thought behind Obamas health care plan is a good and decent thought,same as the idea behind the British NHS is /was a good and decent thought.And of course like anything else it has to be paid for..in this case by taxes in one shape or another.
However Ive had quite a shock recently ,having suffered with a Hernia...quite a large one...and fucking painful too lol.After the usual tests and suchlike,and the diagnosis of the hernia,Ive been told that I can expect to wait approxiametely 6 years on the waiting list before its operated upon.....Quite honestly I was amazed ,though its no secret that the NHS has had better days,I didnt think it had reached as bad a state as that.Ive had no alternative but to have it done privately (a month ago) Im rapidly coming to conclusion that something must be awfully wrong....either the money that is paid into health contributions doesnt reach the NHS..or as a possible alternative not enough money is paid in to fund a meaningful service.Too many administrators....too much political interference ..not enough qualified staff...whatever.
Ive now reached the stage where my attitude is "to hell with fairness.."...."to hell with social justice." and instead im going to take the "Im allright Jack and let the devil take the hindmost" approach purely in a manner of self preservation and selgf interest I guess....at least in the matter of health care....its sad but.......the alternatives are quite quite pointless.
Is that the same future that awaits health care in America? I dont know..I think it might be..I hope its not......whats the old saying about the road to hell is paved with good intentions? Perhaps you lot might do it better than we did...lets hope so.
regards
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Re: Ten Years From Now
Don,
Hope you are doing better now.
I believe the idiots who could use your message the most, have left the building. You are left with folks like me who tried to warn people about what was coming.
All health care programs are built on good intentions.......except for President Obama's. It doesn't take much to look at the man's history and who he surrounds himself with to realize that he has an agenda. That's something that is difficult for every American to accept. The man has an agenda.
Everything is revealed by knowing history. The results in your country is our future.
Thanks for the explicit warning. It's a slap in the face awakening that the entire country could use.
Take care,
Joe
Hope you are doing better now.
I believe the idiots who could use your message the most, have left the building. You are left with folks like me who tried to warn people about what was coming.
All health care programs are built on good intentions.......except for President Obama's. It doesn't take much to look at the man's history and who he surrounds himself with to realize that he has an agenda. That's something that is difficult for every American to accept. The man has an agenda.
Everything is revealed by knowing history. The results in your country is our future.
Thanks for the explicit warning. It's a slap in the face awakening that the entire country could use.
Take care,
Joe
Re: Ten Years From Now
Don,
Sorry to here about your hernia. I sure hope the surgery was successful and your doing great now.
I fear that, as the title of this topic states, we are ten years behind you on the road to a nanny state.
Here we are in the middle of the effort by socialists to get everyone to forget about ones responsibility to take care of themselves and their families. They spew that the government needs to help everyone. They want everyone to rely on the government for at least a portion of their "needs". Which is simply the asshat way to buy votes, hence power.
Here's an example of how this is working over here. A guy sold his house in 2007 to move to Az. He lived in New York. So he came out here and the bubble burst on housing as he was looking for a house. He paid cash for his home in 2009. He decided to stay at home for awhile with his young daughter. His wife worked as a nurse part time. They have a nice amount of savings/investments. Their income was 30,000 for 2009. She paid 900 in income tax. When he did his taxes he got back 2300 because of all the "assistance" for low income families.
You folks over there have been programmed for so long you no longer see the forest for the trees. Over here we are being programmed so fast that we are near the point where half no longer see the forest. At that point like your country, there will be no hope here as well.
I'm sorry that it took a serious illness for you to see the utter fallicy of socialist medicine. 6 years waiting for a routine hernia operation surely is not social justice for a person without the means to pay themselves. Today, over here that same person would have had the operation within months if not weeks. Yet my Country is portrayed as socially backwards while yours is portrayed as socially progressive by the socialist media of the world.
I'm glad that you had the financial means to take care of that painful situation. I hope you have ample savings so that you can purchase the care you need, when you need it, as time goes on.
Sorry to here about your hernia. I sure hope the surgery was successful and your doing great now.
I fear that, as the title of this topic states, we are ten years behind you on the road to a nanny state.
Here we are in the middle of the effort by socialists to get everyone to forget about ones responsibility to take care of themselves and their families. They spew that the government needs to help everyone. They want everyone to rely on the government for at least a portion of their "needs". Which is simply the asshat way to buy votes, hence power.
Here's an example of how this is working over here. A guy sold his house in 2007 to move to Az. He lived in New York. So he came out here and the bubble burst on housing as he was looking for a house. He paid cash for his home in 2009. He decided to stay at home for awhile with his young daughter. His wife worked as a nurse part time. They have a nice amount of savings/investments. Their income was 30,000 for 2009. She paid 900 in income tax. When he did his taxes he got back 2300 because of all the "assistance" for low income families.
You folks over there have been programmed for so long you no longer see the forest for the trees. Over here we are being programmed so fast that we are near the point where half no longer see the forest. At that point like your country, there will be no hope here as well.
I'm sorry that it took a serious illness for you to see the utter fallicy of socialist medicine. 6 years waiting for a routine hernia operation surely is not social justice for a person without the means to pay themselves. Today, over here that same person would have had the operation within months if not weeks. Yet my Country is portrayed as socially backwards while yours is portrayed as socially progressive by the socialist media of the world.
I'm glad that you had the financial means to take care of that painful situation. I hope you have ample savings so that you can purchase the care you need, when you need it, as time goes on.