the fundementals of the economy are sound

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the fundementals of the economy are sound

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today mccain told the nation the fundamentals of the economy are sound. what is this man smoking? i hope he is smoking some hot shit cause if he aint we are in deep shit.
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now now lbj...if mccain was smoking anything, he'd have seen how screwed up the economy is....
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i guess bush was telling the truth when he said, " i have the political capital an i'm gonna spend it.""

i guess no one was paying attention...
in a world were we have the best politicians that money can buy...
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pip, i need a drink. with the value of the dollar today the best president we can get for the money is not worth very much.

what worries me is the 50% of the population that thinks bush mccain and palin are brilliant statesmen and economic masterminds.

its their kind of adulation and love of the party and it's leader that put hitler in power.
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The Truth

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LBJ,

I'll come right out and say it...
Joe behaves precisely as the Nazis behaved in the run-up to WW2. He defends those scumbags in the White House knowing damn well he is supporting and defending the transgressions of war criminals.

And just like the Nazis, Joe accuses of hating my country because I support the Constitution. That man is a sick little coward.

The economy has tanked and there is no-one to blame but the Bush administration. Our country is a fraction of the great country it was before Bush took over. Now it is in shambles.

May I remind you guys...
Joe is the only person I know who profits when some kid gets his leg blown off.


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say it aint so, Joe

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What scares the hell out of me is that 90% +/- of the voters think that the two candidates for president are capable of filling that position.

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Jim,
McCain is presenting himself as an 'outsider', yet he has been part of the Washington elite for over thirty years. He calls himself a maverick, but he conducts his affairs in the same manner as the rest.

Experience in Washington is akin to radiation exposure. More is not necessarily a good thing.

Obama has hands on experience dealing with the economically disadvantaged. He is brilliant, honest and level headed. McCain has no sense of diplomacy. Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran is not diplomacy... it is an ill conceived, warmongering, knee-jerk reaction, again, based on false premise.

We just killed ninety more innocent civilians in Afghanistan. How many more innocent people are we going to murder before we realize that we have killed more innocent people than the Taliban? Those who believe killing is the answer are obviously not Christian. They are hypocrites and warmongers.

John McCain will not bring change. Obama, on the other hand, has not done anything that might suggest he would not make a good president.
If I have to make a choice between the white killer and the black new guy, no question about it... I'm voting for the black guy.


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the only constant in life is change..so who are these guys to claim only they can produce change...it's gonna happen anyway...duh...

i am with jim when he says these guys are scarie...

the only difference i see between 1922 germany and now is the dollar is still worth more than the basket it is kept in...for now...that may change by the end of the day....
just heard some talking head on the television, don't hide your money in the mattress, get a safety deposit box...now that is confidence in the economic institution....

sorry about the spelling...need more coffee.
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Jim,

I was not born until 1958, so I was not around for WW2. However, it is quite obvious the wars we are fighting in the middle East are nothing like the wars we fought in Europe.

I believe our military responded extraordinarily during those wars. The cause was not only just, it was unavoidable. I am grateful for those sacrifices.

The middle East is nothing of the sort. We invaded two separate countries on false premise, both which have caused us great damage in the long term.

We did not go after the countries involved in 9/11. We attacked countries that stood in the way of our oil and natural gas interests. Bin Laden is still at large seven years later, and the Taliban is stronger than ever. However, the natural gas pipeline has been complete for years.

I strongly suggest you examine the 'Cheney Energy Task Force Documents' released through the Freedom of Information Act. There is no way a sane man can read those documents and still believe the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq had anything to do with terrorism.

Bush and cronies used 9/11 to sell the invasions. They made no attempts to stop the hijacked air-crafts, nor were they honest about what they knew in advance. I knew it was coming... why didn't they? The intelligence community had warned of an impending strike of this nature just a week or so earlier. I read about the impending attacks in the news.

We can't allow more of this conduct to occur. We have become the bad guys. We are the enemy. It's shameful and heartbreaking.

I want my country back. I'm sick and tired of these shitbags pulling my chain.

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laz, the quickest was to get our country back is to join the rest of the civilized world and have our troops, contractors and leaders subject to the jurisdiction of the war crimes tribunal in the hague. bush and rumsfled would have been cooling their heels in prison if we held ourselves to the same standards that we hold our enemy to.
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bush is holding the enemy to his standards...he has again blocked persian gulf veterans from claiming millions of dollars awarded to them for being tortured by the iraqi...
we torture you..you torture us...all's even...

( i am really disgusted )
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LBJ,
you are right on the money with this.

Have you seen the reports coming out of the new book about Richard Cheney? If these new revelations have merit, and apparently they do,
both invasions were based on lies... lies that originated with Cheney.

Cheney apparently held meetings behind closed doors, claiming the situation was in fact, so dire, that the truth should be hidden from everyone, including the Senate, and anyone in the intelligence community who might question or share the information. He claimed he had proof Saddam was days away from obtaining briefcase nukes with the sole intention of using them against US interests. There was of course, no truth to his claims, but thousands have died as a result... far more than would have been killed by a briefcase nuke.


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pip, i am waiting to see what mccain is going to say about the bush move to stop the pows from suing. if he has any integrity left there should be a strong statement condemning bush and supporting the pows.
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laz,

i read a few reports that stated cheney/bush started with plans to attack iraq before 9/11. since iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 it is easy to believe those reports. there is only one winner in the iraq war - haliburton - who's previous ceo was vp cheney.
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i still believe that 9/11 smells like the reichstag...

i have lost faith in mccain...he had such promise...i have been listening to news all night...big silence from mccain...and he sure can talk fast if obama makes a statement..
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Pip,
I too, believe 9/11 smells like the Reichstag fire.

Contrary to initial reports, Cheney was in fact, down in the basement bunker of the White House during the attacks. At least two witnesses who were also in the bunker claim to have heard him order US military aircraft to stand down minutes before the second plane struck the tower.

The GI torture story is quite disturbing. Not surprisingly, Bush is once again in violation of the Geneva Accord.

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I hope you Bush supporters enjoyed your measly little incentive checks, because the bailout is going to cost every man woman an child in America over three grand per person. (not per household)

Thanks, selfish jackasses!
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ya, the bastards are giving the money to the corporations and the wealthy and our children, grandchildren and great grandchildren will be paying for it. i finally know what republican family values are - take from future generations to give to the fat cats today. and the goddamn democrats are going along with it. when will liberals stand up for what they believe?? what a fucked up country!!!
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amazing that the government of the people, by the people, for the people allows individual homeowners to be forclosed out of their homes, but the fatassbankers recieve the governments money...
and the great lie? the republicans are now so concerned for the workers...after sending the jobs overseas....

geeze..marx was right.
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Good post, Pip, I too find it interesting that the Republicans, who claim to be so well-versed in economics, seems so inept in basic macroeconomic principles. After all, isn't it the Republicans who constantly endorse laissez-faire deregulated market capitalism, which has consistently led to substantial economic collapse. Perhaps they don't understand that the macroeconomic model has three components, Land, Labour and Capital, each, in a good working economy, must consider their own well-being, as well as the well-being of the other two in their economic conduct. Those who ignore the Land and Labour components to the benefit of the Capital component are sorely mistaken in their understanding of how a healthy economy runs. Present day circumstances taken into account only serves, once again, to support the socialist viewpoint. When will the pigs learn that it takes a left wing and a right wing to fly?

By the way, has anyone else noticed that neither of Joe's companies are in good standing with the Corporation Commission? Hmmmm...perhaps an illustration of my point exactly.

Touche,

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Washington Mutual Collapse

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The failure of Washington Mutual is not only the largest on record, it dwarfs the previous record set over 24 years ago when Continental Illinois was shut down. Washington Mutual had $307 billion in assets compared to Continental's $40 billion (or $67.7 billion in 2008 dollars).


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Remember the debates between Al Gore and George Bush?
I do.

Clinton left office with a budget surplus of over $559 billion dollars.

During the debates Bush accused Gore of "Fuzzy Math". He scoffed at suggestions his policies would throw our country into financial disaster.
Today we have learned that our next president will face a trillion dollar deficit, and a crippled economy. Bush, of course claimed he would cut the national debt in half by 2009, but in fact, he is out of time, and he could not have been more wrong.

Here is a portion of an article that appeared at CBS in 2004.

(CBS) In a presidential debate nearly four years ago, George W. Bush accused Al Gore of employing "fuzzy math." But increasingly, it's the White House that's being accused of numerical fuzziness on Medicare, the deficit and jobs.

President Bush last year signed a Medicare prescription drug benefit with an estimated price tag of $395 billion. A month later, the White House said the actual cost was more like $534 billion.

In his State of the Union address, the president pledged to halve the deficit by 2009. But his plan largely excludes the cost of operations in Iraq and Afghanistan and does not reflect the long-term impact of Mr. Bush's proposal to make recent tax cuts permanent.

And most recently, White House officials backed off a projection in the president's annual economic report that the U.S. economy would generate 2.6 million new jobs this year.

There's often debate in Washington over numbers, and past administrations have also been accused of fudging it. But the Bush team's math seems unusually sloppy to some long-time observers.

"I have to say, the budget gimmicks this year are so transparent and so obvious, I think they stunned even Republicans," said Robert Bixby, executive director of the Concord Coalition, a nonpartisan group that advocates fiscal responsibility.

"Usually you have to dig a little bit deeper to find sort of subtle gimmicks," he said. "There's nothing subtle about these: They just decided to leave a lot of big items out."




I have often stated that only an absolute fool would defend or support the transgressions of the Bush administration. We would all have been much better off had I been wrong. Unfortunately, I wasn't. Now we must pay for those mistakes... for the rest our lives.


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lazarus wrote:I have often stated that only an absolute fool would defend or support the transgressions of the Bush administration. We would all have been much better off had I been wrong. Unfortunately, I wasn't. Now we must pay for those mistakes... for the rest our lives.


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whew.
so many people were alarmingly correct about the bush administration/neoconservatives.
amazing, that on every point the people spoke against, having bush as president, has come to be.
quagmire in war, bankrupt nation. religious fanatics manipulating power.
cronieism. multinational corps recording record profits, oct 1st will go down as the day we gave ft knox to wall street.

and we were told to "move to canada"

karl rove and the hate machine. wow, does karl speak wonderfully about mccain...now.

i fear that a mass hysteria has overtaken the nation.
scapegoats chosen.
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Notice to Joe

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Notice to Joe

Joe,
it is far too late for you to redeem yourself on this issue. You were absolutely wrong and nothing you can ever say or do will change that. For years, you have behaved like an ignorant, clueless warmonger, and indeed, that is how you should be expected to be perceived by others.

You are no patriot... not by a long-shot. Your views have been nothing short of disgusting. You are clearly a racist and a fool. Should I or anyone else forgive you? Perhaps... but not without damn good reason.


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A Trillion Dollar Loss

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It was just announced on CNN that for the first time ever, the stock market lost over a trillion dollars in a single day. Worst one day loss ever.


Things to come

BIRMINGHAM, Ala. - The nation's largest Chevrolet dealer filed for bankruptcy protection against a "perfect storm" of woes including soaring gasoline prices, declining demand for big vehicles and the nationwide credit crunch.

Bill Heard Enterprises Inc., the Georgia-based firm which operated in seven states before it shut down last week, said its 14 dealerships were losing from $2 million to $5 million a month because of a drop in sales coupled with a lack of available credit.

And GM is already on the ropes.
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