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It's true that we are a nation divided, and here is where the Democratic Party half is so anxious to get to:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUaY3LhJ-IQ

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Hey Don,
But comparing paying for health care and paying for food,etc isnt really fair.Anyone can go out and find a job that will pay enough to enable them to feed themselves,rent a room ,however modest etc.To find employment that would fund say $10,000 worth of cancer drugs a month for a wife ,son,daughter or mother etc would be beyond most i suspect.Guess thats one of the areas where socialism and capitalism collide,i.e conscience vs profit
This is where we differ on opinion I guess. You seem to believe socialism = a conscience and capitalism = profit. Guess that's the difference between the school systems lol. My British friend may disagree bacause he had to shell out 5K to get an operation before his gallbladder burst. He had to turn to a capitalist for a conscience because the socialist system had none. So how many poor Brtish socialists didn't have 5K and are dead now? Is there a statistic collected by a British bureaucrat that
describes to the people how many have died due to poor service. I think not. As for the expensive cancer drugs....many are not dispensed in Britian....all are here. So how many folks do you read about that die here in the States due to lack of treatment. Do you think there is some field out in the wilderness that we send our un-insured to die since they can't pay? Of course the field is payed for by a large pharmasutical company that has armed citizens patroling it. I read of British citizens traveling here for treatment but have yet to read of an American traveling to Britian for treatment. Why is that?
And of course what of the "uninsurables" born with long term hospital needs....no insurer is liable to give them insurance.
Obviously they are sent to the field right out of the womb.
Point taken about needing a voice,and bearing arms adding weight to that voice, but........what if 50,000 muslims ,or 50,000 animal rights activists take to the street armed to the teeth also? or 50,000 democrats protesting about replubican rule,or 50,000 repubs protesting about democrats......the cure might turn out to be worse than the disease.
I know how I come across in these posts and understand why you posted as you did. But I said Americans. All have that very right. Everyone knows how inflamitory that type of action would be. That is why we've never seen it happen in our lifetime. My point was that it could happen if folks are pushed to far. We have that right and cherish it for the very example I've described. You folks cannot do the same since you are essentially unarmed and basically just yell at each other.....with no trump card. By the way you'd be hard pressed to find 50,000 dems with guns in a metro area.....they too have been brainwashed about guns.
The british conservatives make their points against whats happening here,it makes no difference admittedly but their voices are heard.....the public get a chance to change things (for a while) at an election.....its the democratic way of doing things
How's that working out for you? From your previous posts it doesn't seem that anyone is listening anymore. So what are the British going to do next? Accept Muslim law with but a wimper? Give up your car for the global good? Even higher taxes for the immigrant to obtain healthcare? Allow that immigrant to go before you at the clinic because he"s a minority? Where does it end for Britian and what is your recourse. This is what the kck ass hard charging British people have become.....all of Europe???
And of course how long before the 50,000 armed "rebels" if successful became a force worse than the ones they were complaining about?
What if I used ball bats instead of guns in my example? Would the same question be true?
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Knun wrote:Hey Don,
But comparing paying for health care and paying for food,etc isnt really fair.Anyone can go out and find a job that will pay enough to enable them to feed themselves,rent a room ,however modest etc.To find employment that would fund say $10,000 worth of cancer drugs a month for a wife ,son,daughter or mother etc would be beyond most i suspect.Guess thats one of the areas where socialism and capitalism collide,i.e conscience vs profit
This is where we differ on opinion I guess. You seem to believe socialism = a conscience and capitalism = profit. Guess that's the difference between the school systems lol. My British friend may disagree bacause he had to shell out 5K to get an operation before his gallbladder burst. He had to turn to a capitalist for a conscience because the socialist system had none. So how many poor Brtish socialists didn't have 5K and are dead now? Is there a statistic collected by a British bureaucrat that
describes to the people how many have died due to poor service. I think not. As for the expensive cancer drugs....many are not dispensed in Britian....all are here. So how many folks do you read about that die here in the States due to lack of treatment. Do you think there is some field out in the wilderness that we send our un-insured to die since they can't pay? Of course the field is payed for by a large pharmasutical company that has armed citizens patroling it. I read of British citizens traveling here for treatment but have yet to read of an American traveling to Britian for treatment. Why is that?





Yor friend no doubt needed (or wanted) the op quicker..thats ok,otherwise he would have had to get in line in britain with everyone else,coincidentally i had the same op-i waited 14 months....no its not perfect situation unfortunately,thats well known. However to suggest that the hospital (surgeons,anaethists (sic) etc) who operated on your friend in america did so because of conscience is of course altogether beyond the truth......if he hadnt had 5000 -they wouldnt have operated.He was lucky that he could afford that option....good luck to him.
American patients are treated here in any emergency they might encounter,and i guess the salient issue is they sre treated frree of charge...no big bill follows them homewards......certain cancer drugs here are rationed,because of the expense.maybe some arent available here because of the different set of codes followed by the diff countries as regards safety checks on the drugs concerned ,maybe other reasons too.
But the fact remains no one needing treatment in britain (foreign visitors included) will be faced with a huge bill afterwards that might well take them a lifetime to pay off.As far as my knowledge stretches thats not the case in america.......nobodys precription drug supply is switched off because they have exceeded their insurance limit either.The system is stretched here,no point denying it,but its still a system that works well,the main reason being treatment doesnt depend on the ability to pay.





I know how I come across in these posts and understand why you posted as you did. But I said Americans. All have that very right. Everyone knows how inflamitory that type of action would be. That is why we've never seen it happen in our lifetime. My point was that it could happen if folks are pushed to far. We have that right and cherish it for the very example I've described. You folks cannot do the same since you are essentially unarmed and basically just yell at each other.....with no trump card. By the way you'd be hard pressed to find 50,000 dems with guns in a metro area.....they too have been brainwashed about guns.


Well of course the whole point about being pushed too far isthat its an argument that every terrorist group employs. The IRA used that argument....the irish protestants employed that argument......no doubt the palestinians have used that phrase as well on occasion....the world is crazy enough as it is without creating another bunch of splinter groups who want to threaten or intimidate sitting govts in democratic countries cos they dont agree with certain policies. Protest is one thing......threatening to use weapons is quite another......you gat the right to vote....if your vote is in the minority ,because the majority vote for the other lot..you have to accept that your view isnt the majority view,its how our societies work.....complain,protest ...fine......using or threatening the use of firearms to change things isnt the way. threats from outside are a complety different kettle of fish,those rules wouldnt apply.






How's that working out for you? From your previous posts it doesn't seem that anyone is listening anymore. So what are the British going to do next? Accept Muslim law with but a wimper? Give up your car for the global good? Even higher taxes for the immigrant to obtain healthcare? Allow that immigrant to go before you at the clinic because he"s a minority? Where does it end for Britian and what is your recourse. This is what the kck ass hard charging British people have become.....all of


I dont want to assassinate the british govt cos they arent doing things that id prefer them to do.......the majority voted them in, ive got to accept that ,and recognise that maybe im wrong and they ARE right.I dont think i am. wrong....but i might be.
The only way muslim law would take over from british law is if 1 muslims made up the majority of the pop and voted accordingly or 2 if there was some kind of muslim coup,which frankly is rather a silly thing to imagine.......its not goin to happen.
The british,in my opinion are slow to anger,but once angered are a dangerous enemy,one best left alone. If there is indeed an "hour of need" i have no doubt the public would respond,but there isnt a need to hold a machine gun against every ones head ,because their ideas dont agree with ours i guess..
To me Socialism (with a couple of notable exceptions) is an irritating annoyance,and its becoming more irritating as the months go by,as more and more petty rules are introduced......but im not going to go to war over it......its not THAT important ....both countries are f+++++ anyhow now.....who ever gets in power they are only vultures picking the bones. And whichever party gets in power we have to live "in spite of them" and not "because of them"........Its too simple to say Socialism is bad and capitalism is good or vice versa......much like orwells "four legs good-two legs bad" phrase........if only things were that easy...if only.
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And of course how long before the 50,000 armed "rebels" if successful became a force worse than the ones they were complaining about?
What if I used ball bats instead of guns in my example? Would the same question be true?
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Hi knun ,sorry for my botched quoting qand unquoting effort,i never did get the hang of it.but hope its decipherable.
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Don,

No worries on the quoting. It's no problem understanding your posts.

I hope mine are as easy to read, with my poor spelling and choppy writing.
Yor friend no doubt needed (or wanted) the op quicker..thats ok,otherwise he would have had to get in line in britain with everyone else,coincidentally i had the same op-i waited 14 months....no its not perfect situation unfortunately,thats well known. However to suggest that the hospital (surgeons,anaethists (sic) etc) who operated on your friend in america did so because of conscience is of course altogether beyond the truth......if he hadnt had 5000 -they wouldnt have operated.He was lucky that he could afford that option....good luck to him.
Actually Don, my writings were misleading. My friend did not come here for his operation. He had it done in the same hospital that he was scheduled to have it done in Britain much later. The money simply made a socialist turn capitalist and that ended up with him getting the care he needed. Hence a capitalist has a conscience comment. Don, you realize your gallbladder could have killed you if it burst. To wait fourteen months seems insane to me. I notice you didn’t respond to the question of those that he bumped in front of by paying out of pocket. The socialist conscience has limitations I guess.
American patients are treated here in any emergency they might encounter,and i guess the salient issue is they sre treated frree of charge...no big bill follows them homewards......certain cancer drugs here are rationed,because of the expense.maybe some arent available here because of the different set of codes followed by the diff countries as regards safety checks on the drugs concerned ,maybe other reasons too.
But the fact remains no one needing treatment in britain (foreign visitors included) will be faced with a huge bill afterwards that might well take them a lifetime to pay off.As far as my knowledge stretches thats not the case in america.......nobodys precription drug supply is switched off because they have exceeded their insurance limit either.
The system is stretched here,no point denying it,but its still a system that works well,the main reason being treatment doesnt depend on the ability to pay.
But see that’s my very point. Some one does pay. If I go to Britain and break my leg someone pays for my treatment. Everyone pays! In my senerio you pay for me. If that happened to you in America you would pay for you. Are we not responsible for our actions? As for insurance limits here in the States. Yes there are limits. I am lucky enough to have good insurance and have a 3 million dollar limit. Those that are poor have the exact same insurance coverage as I do without the limit. I am not saying that we are perfect either...there are issues with healthcare that must be addressed here as well. But to say that socialized medicine is the best is simply not true. I am happy with my coverage and find yours lacking basic requirements. Like timely treatment and options. If I don't like a doctor I go to another one. I like that capitalist idea. If your service sucks or you are incompitenet I'll go somewhere else. I think that is important.
Well of course the whole point about being pushed too far isthat its an argument that every terrorist group employs. The IRA used that argument....the irish protestants employed that argument......no doubt the palestinians have used that phrase as well on occasion....the world is crazy enough as it is without creating another bunch of splinter groups who want to threaten or intimidate sitting govts in democratic countries cos they dont agree with certain policies.
There is a difference. If freedom of oppression is the issue would you support the will of your government? If your very liberty is given away to the common good as defined by a beaurocrat would you feel the same. At what point for you does an issue reach the point of passive resistance? At what point active resistance?
Protest is one thing......threatening to use weapons is quite another......you gat the right to vote....if your vote is in the minority ,because the majority vote for the other lot..you have to accept that your view isnt the majority view,its how our societies work.....complain,protest ...fine......using or threatening the use of firearms to change things isnt the way. threats from outside are a complety different kettle of fish,those rules wouldnt apply.
I agree with this completely. But I still have options if that vote is twisted, abused, or my voice is decided to be unacceptable. My Constitution tells me as a citizen I have the right to rise up, using weapons if need be, to prevent my rights, as provided by my government, and the law as defined in that Constitution, from being used for something other than what is best for this Country, my personal freedom and liberty….again, as defined in our Constitution. It is the very core of being an American. You do not have that legal right. In fact, no one else in the world does. It is the very reason your Queen is not mine.
I dont want to assassinate the british govt cos they arent doing things that id prefer them to do.......the majority voted them in, ive got to accept that ,and recognise that maybe im wrong and they ARE right.I dont think i am. wrong....but i might be.
You seem to imply I want to assassinate someone. Please don’t try to put words in my mouth. Especially something as obsured as that. If you’re good with your lot than so be it. My point was that all of Europe has reached a point where they are collectively incapable of correcting obviously poor policies for most people. They have become paralized politically and morally. You folks appear to be racing down the slope without brakes towards something unknown and not good.
The only way muslim law would take over from british law is if 1 muslims made up the majority of the pop and voted accordingly or 2 if there was some kind of muslim coup,which frankly is rather a silly thing to imagine.......its not goin to happen.
Actually that’s not completely true. You already have sharia law. They are even allowed to deal with some criminal cases. It has begun.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u ... 749183.ece

In fact, I’m sure you remember the Archbishop of Canterbury saying this.

http://www.archbishopofcanterbury.org/1581

What exactly did he say? It’s so convoluted anyone could get anything out of his official statement. Sounds like our President. Lot's of words with no definitive message. Everyone's happy.
The british,in my opinion are slow to anger,but once angered are a dangerous enemy,one best left alone. If there is indeed an "hour of need" i have no doubt the public would respond,but there isnt a need to hold a machine gun against every ones head ,because their ideas dont agree with ours i guess..
You Brits have proven this time and time again. A tough lot indeed.

To me Socialism (with a couple of notable exceptions) is an irritating annoyance,and its becoming more irritating as the months go by,as more and more petty rules are introduced......but im not going to go to war over it......its not THAT important ....both countries are f+++++ anyhow now.....who ever gets in power they are only vultures picking the bones. And whichever party gets in power we have to live "in spite of them" and not "because of them"........Its too simple to say Socialism is bad and capitalism is good or vice versa......much like orwells "four legs good-two legs bad" phrase........if only things were that easy...if only.
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It's bad but not something that requires a call to arms. But it has reached the point of being over the top and detrimental to the common good. I watch your Country closely....we are ten to twenty years behind you folks. I find it scary that you folks are good with it as it stands in Britian today. What twenty years can do to an entire Country is amazing.
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Hi knun,


Don, you realize your gallbladder could have killed you if it burst. To wait fourteen months seems insane to me. I notice you didn’t respond to the question of those that he bumped in front of by paying out of pocket. The socialist conscience has limitations I guess.


Well, im not going to criticise the guy who jumped the queue,he paid for the privilege.....the people he leap frogged over? too bad i guess, life is like that. What does rankle with me a little though is the fact that in the main ,doctors surgeons anaethesists here go through their medical training here....through the NHS,their training is funded by the NHS through taxpayers money....it must cost a pretty packet. After being trained they then leave the NHS to practise privately...doesnt seem right to me.Thats not an argument for socialism by the way,just an observation from one of the taxpayers.Some private operations are carried out in NHS hospitals using NHS equipment and facilities rented for the day ,hour or week....that doesnt seem right either to me....a lot of private surgeons work half a day a week doing NHS work as well as their private work....so i guess here the picture is a bit cloudy and confused.And of course some abuse the vhealth system here....that has contributed to the run down in services. Its in the interests of private medecine obviously to see the running down or maybe complete disappearance of free health care....get rid of the opposition then the sky would be the limit for priv health treatment charges.




There is a difference. If freedom of oppression is the issue would you support the will of your government? If your very liberty is given away to the common good as defined by a beaurocrat would you feel the same. At what point for you does an issue reach the point of passive resistance? At what point active resistance?


Freedom liberty in certain areas has been curtailed in both countries these last few years....How far would it have to stretch before there was active resustance? difficult to say beforehand,but when the limit was reached i think it would become very obvious to all...I imagine the protest would begin here with a general strike..its happened before...we even executed our king once :D There is a limit.




is decided to be unacceptable. My Constitution tells me as a citizen I have the right to rise up, using weapons if need be, to prevent my rights, as provided by my government, and the law as defined in that Constitution, from being used for something other than what is best for this Country, my personal freedom and liberty….again, as defined in our Constitution. It is the very core of being an American. You do not have that legal right. In fact, no one else in the world does. It is the very


There is a problem there surely....a legal right to commit what amounts to treason?Who is the final arbiter of what constitutes what is right for your country? Some argued that the last republicans actions werent right , either for America or for its populations rights and freedoms.....were those people legally entitled to rise up and overthrow the govt using weapons? That is a scenario for civil war.Possibly justified .....but legal?





Actually that’s not completely true. You already have sharia law. They are even allowed to deal with some criminal cases. It has begun.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u ... 749183.ece

In fact, I’m sure you remember the Archbishop of Canterbury saying this.



That apparently is a concession to muslims.......it sounds bad,but what it actually amounts to is basically this......In muslim communities,where a dispute arises be it regarding divorce settlements,rights of way,minor issues such as those,muslims have the option of bringing that dispute in front of a muslim tribunal and allowing that tribunal to adjudicate.Both parties HAVE to agree to the procedure.No muslim court can sentence ANYONE tio imprisonment,no person can be brought before a muslim court if they wish otherwise.....its really just a localised civil claim court....any decision can be challenged in a british court and british civil law remains inviolate(sic)
As the paper rightly says ,the Jews have had a similar option since i believe the 1880s.......its been blown a little out of proportion. When i first read those headlines a year or more ago ,i got the same impression,most people did too....Now whether its the thin end of the wedge i obviously cant say......im pretty sure it isnt......if it becomes so then i imagine the first briton hauled before a muslim court charged with "crimes against allah" or whatever would be the spark that would started the civil unrest....i dont believe any british govt wouldnt be aware of that.
Having said all that,yes positive discrimination is being encouraged towards ethnic minorities here regarding employment ....i believe its the same in america? That has caused unrest here..its why the govt have watered those ideas down a little........the same positive discrimination ideas were encouraged in the 1970s then it was towards blacks......it didnt really work then either........But, and ive got to be truthfull britain has had a racist society,it prob still has....ive not a prob with that to be honest.....i wouldnt go as far as saying i want to send the blacks,or muslims or ethiopians to specially made gas chambers.....but being blatantly honest I wish they would all piss off back to wherever they originated....so i guess im a racist too,same as most .
Its not good here Knun,but as yet its not as bad as it could be..i try to be optimistic,theres an election not too far away,this present govt has about as much chance of being re-elected as I have of being made an admiral of the fleet,so change is coming.
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Re: Where We Are Going........

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Joe Ribaudo wrote:It's true that we are a nation divided, and here is where the Democratic Party half is so anxious to get to:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUaY3LhJ-IQ

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I am amazed that no one commented on this Maxine Waters revelation. You have to watch the entire film.......It's not that long.

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Kevin,

It's hard not to notice the pregnant pause that has taken place in the First Amendment Forum. Even Brad has slowed down on his constant attacks on our American troops.

It would seem that, if nothing else, we have put the brakes on the constant lies and made up "How great am I stories". We did that with the truth and exposure of the little man lies. Have no idea what compels people to make up stories and claims that are so easy to refute. In the end, they just look small and immature.

Hopefully our contentious posts will no longer be necessary. Some of the bullshit that is posted here just needs to be answered with the truth. I know where Brad's stories come from, but in truth I don't know pip or lbj well enough to see if marijuana is their source.

They all are living in a fantasy world which is just now becoming the reality of President Barack Hussein Obama's agenda. While many of us could plainly see that agenda prior to his election, the other side is just now waking up to it. Hopefully it's not too late.

Maxine Waters used the "S" word in that site I posted, and damn near choked on it. To bad she didn't.
You will never see that tape on any mainstream media outlet. What a joke! Trouble is, it's all too real.
Lbj has mentioned he has money and doesn't seem to mind the plan to redistribute the wealth. I will send him my address and he can start by sending me a check next month. Times are tough.

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I stepped back because the asshats have been put in there place. They have nothing to say anymore.

You see, they were taught by there handlers how to complain and protest. They were never taught how to actually accomplish anything. They have been used and are simply expected to go with the flow as handed down to them from ASSHATS.

I know many of you might think I am being sarcastically over the top with my references to ASSHATS, handlers, and being a tool. Rest assured I am not.

Look to see if even one of our forum asshats contridicts or disagrees with any thing a ASSHAT says. They have been programmed to agree with every single thing that is said.....bar none. They can't do it.

That is why every time one posts some marxist bullcrap here I will post five rational posts to put them into a retrospective point of view.

LBJ still hasn't contacted me about my business idea. It's a win-win for both of us. I guess he must have given all his money to the Gov'ment and is taking the bus to the day labor site in Phoenix. Now if one of these asshats did that I'd be impressed!
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knun, i gave you too much credit. i thought you would have noticed that your business idea was too fucking stupid to merit a response but again i overestimated your iq. so i will try to explain the situation to you in simple terms.

one - you are too fixated on asses. you are a closet gay that has not realized he is gay. open your fuckin eye and be what you are. there is nothing wrong with being gay.

two - if you want to have a discussion with those who disagree with you discuss your ideas and back them up with facts. get off the asshats, handlers and other bygone catch phrases.

three - grow up.

btw you are so fucking stupid that you accuse me of looking for handouts ,when in fact i never asked for one, in the same breath that you are trying to get a handout from me. how fucking lame can a person get?????
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joe,
I am amazed that no one commented on this Maxine Waters revelation. You have to watch the entire film.......It's not that long.
i watched the video. would not be surprised if it was edited. sounded very choppy. but lets assume its 100% accurate. its about time we had some policies for the citizens of this country rather than the elites. america is desperate for some socialism. regan/bush capitalism is killing us.

unfortunately, obama has turned out to be too far to the right of center as i feared he would be.

i asked you a few questions previously that you never answered. can you answer at least this one? name at least one thing that america is the best at. a thoughtful answer would be appreciated.
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don, though i disagree with you on many things i respect your ability to see good and bad in your government unlike the american right wingers who see only bad in the democrats and only good in the republicans. if for no other reason that is a good one to think about moving to the uk :twisted:
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lbj,

It should be obvious to you by now, that people like you, Brad and pip have absolutely no chance of changing the opinions of Americans who know the facts. Some have come to understand that, and no longer bother to post on anything resembling a regular basis. You, on the other hand, keep bouncing in with barely understandable posts and the inability to accept the truth, even when it's obvious. The Maxine Waters tape speaks for itself, just as she has over the years.

It's a weakness of mine that I actually enjoy watching you folks make total fools of yourselves. Like pigs who revel in squirming around in the excrement tainted mud that they help create, you will never climb out of the filth. It's warm and comforting for creatures who have no real aspirations for a better life. Your dream is to bring those who have worked their way out of the muck, back into your vision of heaven. How could we doubt that vision? After all, it's worked so well for the other countries who gave it a try.

What is America the best at?:

Donating everything that human's hold of value, for the freedom of others, including our lives. Donating their time and money to help developing countries in need. Donating everything needed to give relief to countries that have suffered from natural disasters. Giving those who live in this country the opportunity to live better than any other people in the world. Going from slavery to electing a black man president in around 150 years. There is no country in the world that is as good at being charitable as we are. We are the best at providing food to our people, and selling or giving away the excess that we produce.

I could continue for many pages, but it would be a waste of time. If you are truly interested, I would suggest you buy and read: "What's so Great About America" by, Dinesh D'Souza. Like many emigrants to America, he has a keen appreciation for what is so great about his adopted country.

Your brand of government is best sold to those who have nothing, including hope. For a country that threw off the yoke of tyranny 223 years ago, we are loath to return to that way of life.

[if for no other reason that is a good one to think about moving to the uk]

Anything we can do to help? :lol:

When Socialism rules a free people, only the rulers will be free..........Google it. It's well documented history.......still.

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joe, just as i figured. you cant think of a thing that america is best at. charity you say. humbug. people in the civilized countries of the world dont need charity. civilized governments provide social services to their citizens.
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lbj,

I didn't really expect you to read my entire answer, it was a bit long, and you didn't disappoint me.

"people in the civilized countries of the world dont need charity. civilized governments provide social services to their citizens"

Amazing how much they have accepted from us.

It does not take a mental giant to Google "American, other countries and Charity" to find the facts about our helping hand to "civilized governments" and their people.

If you had the slightest interest in the good this country does, you would look for it as assiduously as you seek out the bad. Truth is, you don't really look for any facts. You are way to comfortable snoozing in the slime to bother reading another point of view. That's why you couldn't read all of my last post to see if I cited anything but charitable acts by America. You only asked for one (1) good thing. Get someone to explain it to you.

Go back to sleep.

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joe, charity when you flaunt it is not a virtue. examine the charity we give to poor nations and you will find that it is for the benefit of american corporations. there are strings attached with the money.

your other point. ya right. we elected a black man. that says a lot about your frame of mind. obama is only half black. his mother was white as kansas snow so it as just as accurate to call him a white man as it is to call him a black man.

time for you to wake up out of your hillbilly heroin daydream and smell the roses.
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Every one of the western countries donate aid to third world countries,every one of the western countries gives assistance-or offers it-to countries afflicted by natural disaster.....its not only america that does so......America -britain -australia-france -canada and the rest send in troops on various occasions to fight wars and try to keep the peace too.
Whether those donations of cash food or military aid etc are given because of purely charitable thoughts towards those afflicted could be open to argument.
The charity business is big business too....for some,i think that should be born in mind.....and of course its easy,if you are president to be "charitable" with the lives of 1000s of servicemen,especially if you arent one of those servicemen involved.
The "my country is better than your country" argument i find to be pretty tedious,and taken to extremes rather petty.No country of itself is one solid,dependable heroic,paternal mass of sugary sweetness. Its the sum total of however many millions of humans happen to live there,and humans being humans is enough to make one understand why all our countries and their political systems ,ideals and idealogies never work very well for very long.It helps to understand why every countries system is undeniabley corrupt from the very top to the very bottom.....on occasion a shining beacon of hope appears,in the form of some individual.....that doesnt last too long..in america someone will shoot dead that individual....in Britain they would ignore that same individual,and marginalise him/her ......in europe the same..............
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don, well said. the days of the individual are numbered if not already gone.
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Youre quite right,there is no room any more for individuality.We are all supposed to conform,either to the left or to the right, doesnt even appear to be a middle any more :lol:
If you are to the right,you get labelled as a racist,fascist pig....if to the left then you are a communist ,pillow biting liberal. Of course both factions are very selective in the propaganda they produce to confirm their point of view. Its all nonsense really,but humans will always find some rock somewhere to batter someone elses head in with.......the world used religion for centuries as a convenient excuse to go to war......now its so-called freedom....why cant everyone just get on with each other and try to serve the common good,instead of holding a gun to everyones head that we dont agree with. So much hatred in this world,so many to blame for it.....its not always "them"....sometimes its "us".
Never had much time for .....oh it doesnt matter...whats the point? 8O
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You would think that President Obama's program would get nothing but cheers from the Canadians. At least one sees the truth of what's going on here.
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"A shallow, manipulative and egotistical amateur who is in over his head" The Canadian Press.

Obama's White House is Falling Down
By Daniel Greenfield Thursday, June 11, 2009

In the sixth month of his presidency, Obama has turned an economic downturn into an economic disaster, taking over and trashing entire companies, and driving the nation deep into deficit spending expected to pass 10 trillion dollars.
Abroad, Obama seems to have no other mode except to continue on with his endless campaign, confusing speechmaking with diplomacy. It is natural enough that Obama, who built his entire campaign on high profile public speeches reported on by an adoring press, understands how to do nothing else but that.

Ego driven photo op appearances and clueless treatment of foreign dignitaries

While the press is still chewing over Obama's Cairo speech, this celebrity style coverage ignores the fact that Obama's endless world tour is not actually accomplishing anything. Instead his combination of ego driven photo op appearances and clueless treatment of foreign dignitaries have alienated many of America 's traditional allies. Those who aren't being quietly angry at Obama, like Brown, Merkel or Netanyahu, instead think of him as absurdly lightweight, as Sarkozy, King Abdullah or Putin do.
While his officials carry out their dirty economic deeds, Obama responds to any and every crisis as if it were a Mickey Rooney and Judy Garland musical, with a cry of, "Let's put on a show." Thus far Obama has put on "shows" across America, Europe and the Middle East. And what the adoring media coverage neglects to cover, is that Obama's shows have solved absolutely nothing. They have served only as high profile entertainment.
Neither alienating America's traditional allies, through a combination of arrogant bullying and ignorance, nor appeasing America's enemies, has yielded any actual results. Nor does it seem likely to. Islamic terrorism is not going anywhere, neither are the nuclear threats from North Korea and Iran. While Obama keeps smiling, the global situation keeps growing more grim.
At home, if Obama was elected as depression era entertainment, the charm of his smiles and his constant appearances on magazine covers appear to be wearing thin on the American public. Despite the shrill attacks on Rush Limbaugh or the Republican Enemy of the Weak—the Democratic party of 2009, is polling a lot like the Republican party of 2008. The Democrats have suddenly become the incumbents, and the only accomplishment they can point to is lavish deficit spending, often on behalf of the very same corporations and causes they once postured against.
The European Union Parliament's swing to the right cannot be credited to Obama, though doubtlessly some European voters seeing socialist economic crisis management on display in the world's richest country decided they wanted none of it, but it is part of a general turning against federalism. And Obama's entire program is dependent on heavily entrenching federalism at the expense of individual and state's rights. Yet that is precisely his Achilles heel with independent voters who are polling against more taxes and expanded government. And no amount of speeches by Obama can wish away his 18 czars or the national debt he has foisted on generation after generation of the American people.
That leaves Obama with a choice between socialism and the independent voter. And thus far he has chosen socialism.
Obama's tactic of hijacking Bush Administration era policies on the economy and the War on Terror, and exploiting them as Trojan horses to promote his own agenda, have left him coping with a backlash from his own party, as well as general Republican opposition.
His Czars are meant to function as the bones in an executive infrastructure accountable to no one, but a lack of accountability isn't just another word for tyranny, but for incompetence. A functional chain of command is accountable at multiple levels if it is to function effectively. Obama's White House by contrast is in a state of over-organized chaos, the sort of organized disorganization that undisciplined egotistical leftists naturally create for themselves, complete with multiple overlapping levels of authority and no one in charge but the man at the top, who's too busy doing other things to actually be in charge.
Dennis Blair as National Intelligence, who collaborated with the Muslim genocide of Christians in East Timor, trying to muscle out the CIA to create his own intelligence network, is typical of the kind of chaos being spawned by every chief in an expanding government bureaucracy working to make sure that all the Indians answer to him. Similarly the National Security Council wrestling with the State Department, highlighted by Samantha Power getting her own specially created NSC position to butt heads with Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, illustrates the state of conflict and chaos in American foreign affairs. A state of chaos so pervasive that incompetence has now become commonplace, and no one can even be found to double check the spelling of a Russian word that is meant to be the theme of American's diplomatic reconstruction with Russia, or to pick out a gift for the visiting British Prime Minister.

The death of Chrysler at the hands of Fiat and the UAW

Meanwhile on the economy, Obama exploited the ongoing bailouts, transforming them from bailouts into takeovers meant to shift the balance of power in what had been a democracy and socially engineer not only corporations, but the lives of ordinary Americans. But the public's patience with corporate bailouts is at an end, most Americans were never happy with them to begin with, and want them to end. The death of Chrysler at the hands of Fiat and the UAW might look like a victory in the union ranks, but it doesn't play too well outside Detroit. And tacking on CAFE standards that will kill the pickup truck and the SUV will badly erode Obama in the swing states, if exploited properly in 2010 and 2012. Despite the constant media barrage, orchestrated out of the White House, the public is growing disenchanted with the performance of Obama and the Democrats.
With unemployment booming and the economy dropping, the jobs aren't there and the spending is out of control. Republicans today are polling better on ethics and the economy, than the Democrats are. That shows a trend which is likely to register in the mid-term elections in 2010, in the same way that the EU parliamentary elections served as a shock to the system.
In the opposition, Republicans are free to embrace the rhetoric of change, to champion reform and push libertarian ideas about the size and scope of government. In turn all Obama has is his celebrity fueled media spectacle world tour. A charade now serving as a parallel to the depression era entertainment that functioned as escapism in a dour time. But before long, it may be Obama that the American public will want to escape from.

A shallow, manipulative and egotistical amateur who is in over his head

Obama has tried to play Lincoln, Reagan, JFK and FDR—but in the end he can only play himself, a shallow, manipulative and egotistical amateur who is in over his head, and trying to drag the country down with him. Obama's White House is falling down and while the flashbulbs are still glittering and the parties are going on in D.C. and around the world, Obama and the Democratic Congress may be headed for a recession of their own.
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joe, shame on you.
"A shallow, manipulative and egotistical amateur who is in over his head" The Canadian Press.
your article is not from the "Canadian Press". it is from "Canada Free Press" a conservative, white pride rag sheet.

i dont understand you right wing nuts. why do you attribute the articles in far right, over the edge. publications to more main stream media? are you ashamed to admit where you get your information from?
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don,
Never had much time for .....oh it doesnt matter...whats the point?


though we sit on opposite side of the fence on a number of issues i totally know the feeling.

too many people want to control others lives instead of just enjoying their own.
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i dont understand you right wing nuts. why do you attribute the articles in far right, over the edge. publications to more main stream media? are you ashamed to admit where you get your information from?
That from a socialist tool! Priceless!!

So in your world what exactly is the "main stream media?" CNN 8O ABC 8O CBS 8O

You could take your post and swap right wing nuts with asshats and it all applies.

To you:
are you ashamed to admit where you get your information from?
You should be!!!
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Don,
Please view this from youtube.

You've been in socialized healthcare all your life. It's all you know but not so here.

This is Rep. Tom Price from Ga. Yes he's a repub. He's also a Doctor. His message is clear and represents the sentiments of the MAJORITY of Americans.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SD_YOlUBoIk
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knun,
That from a socialist tool! Priceless!!

So in your world what exactly is the "main stream media?" CNN Shocked ABC Shocked CBS Shocked

You could take your post and swap right wing nuts with asshats and it all applies.
dipstick, the issue is joe's lie not what is or is not mainstream media. i dont give a damn what you consider mainstream.

it's quite simple - when you quote, credit the quote to the real source. evidently that is too much to ask from you right wing nuts.
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