Klondike wrote
Hello Oroblanco,
Oh well. So much for progress.
Indeed,
for a moment I almost thought you might provide a photo of one of those library books or tablets, and describe what sort of writing it was, along with what language it is supposedly written in. Imagine my disappointment!
Klondike also wrote
As we have stated in the past on numerous occasions there is a history, a real history that you have not really taken the time to understand. The clues, the hints all lead to something very very real and very important.
A "real" history, as in one that is recorded, documented, and supported by corroborating evidence? Like for instance, the Norse voyages to America? Clues, hints etc
more mind games. You seem to underestimate your fellow members here as a regular habit. To continue:
Klondike also wrote
Several years ago a young anthropologist walked into our library in South Africa. She was a very intelligent lady, who simply enough had read these discussions and developed a passion for understanding the truth. She worked through what had been posted, researched a lot on her own and put it all together. She now works on the staff at the library.
So you found a believer willing to commit to your project?
Good for you - in fact I have no doubt that you could find millions more, if you were to put this story you have proposed into a book form. That would not make it true, but people are happy to support all kinds of doubtful theories.
Klondike also wrote
Your quote by Socrates was interesting. I will leave you one by the Duke. "I don`t like quitters, I never have." You see Roy she was not a quitter. She did not surf the internet searching for one mystery after another developing only a shallow knowledge of everything and no knowledge of anything. I have always believed that quitters like to blame others for their failures, people who succeed reach the top. It is easy to do what you and Mr. Ribaudo do it is hard to engage the truth and benefit from its revealing.
More indirect insults, and this after you make such a big deal out of courtesy and respect.
As per your usual pattern, you have presumed that Joe and I obtain all, or nearly all of our information from surfing the internet, which is unfortunately chock-a-block full of false, misleading and pure fantasy information. Oh, there is good information too, but it is wise to always confirm anything found on the internet via other sources. I do make use of the internet for quotes especially, and as a general rule, already know what quote I am seeking and it is considerably faster to cut and paste, rather than sit here with book in lap, trying to hand type every syllable.
You also continue to underestimate what Joe or I have studied, to make such statements as
"a shallow knowledge". It does continue to surprise me, that a person of such obvious intelligence as yourself, is also
apparently incapable of viewing this discussion from any viewpoint other than your own. I have tried to point it up to you, as in the example of how you might react and desire stronger evidence, were we to propose such a story as you have posted here. But unfortunately you are apparently not able to see any other viewpoint, even for the sake of considering what your own posts are coming across.
As to that "quitters" bit - it is not Joe nor I whom have repeatedly "run away" from the discussion,
that was you amigo.
Clearly, you wish for us, and others reading the discussion but not posting, to believe and accept the tale you have provided, which is mostly not found on the Tucson artifacts and has the hallmarks of originating entirely in you or someone very close to you. You insist that the "library of Oz" or now two libraries exist, along with the rest of that story, yet your answer as to what sort of writing and what language is
"the language of the ancients" and how it is "beautiful" to you. Well we have a strong clue as to what the language of the story of Atlantis really was, and it was not Egyptian nor Greek, (re-read Plato if you doubt my assertion on this) and that language is one that I have never heard of anyone ever describing it as "beautiful". In fact it is loaded with gutteral and nasal sounds, rather unpleasant to hear and to speak. Not to say that language is an ugly one, personal names in fact are often quite beautiful, like Bostar as an example. But the language itself, is not particularly pleasant sounding, not lyrical or musical as with some Amerindian languages.
As you might imagine,
if you were able to see things from another person's view, this evasion of yours on what language that library is written in, as well as what kind of writing, also only raises even
more doubts about your story.
If you really want Joe and I to at least start to accept the tale of Oz, the library and all the rest, it is going to take strong evidence - starting with photos of the tablets or books or what ever kind of records you say were found in that 'library" or pair of libraries. Then it might help your case to explain why the lead alloy which the Tucson artifacts are made of, matches the lead alloy used in car batteries of the early 20th century.
Don't get me wrong, I have enjoyed re-reading Plato, Aristotle, Aelian, Plutarch and even modern studies, but some have not been pleasant reading like Covey's confusing, jumbled work on Calalus. You have continued to mention an "extended" version of Plato's works on Atlantis too, which does not exist as far as I have been able to determine, and I have access to some very good resources on ancient books. If you have an 'extended version' it would practically be a crime to withhold it from humanity, that is if it is genuine and not just something someone has added on to Plato's great works. People have been writing books and signing false names since the invention of writing of course, which does not make them genuine. However considering that you were apparently unaware that smuggling and theft of antiquities from the US amounts to federal felonies (as well as state felonies) we must conclude that either you are fine with committing felonies or the whole thing is fictional.
You have indicated a desire to teach, to increase the knowledge of humanity, well bringing to light a genuine extended version of Plato would be doing just that. However considering your hesitance at even mentioning your real name, I don't expect you are going to make any part of your "extended" version public either.
You are not the first to try playing these mind games amigo, nor will you be the last. A glance through any of the popular online forums will turn up any number of people pretending to have secret knowledge, special "groups" of "gate keepers" whom will only allow true believers to have access to their "special" knowledge. I can't speak for Joe on this aspect, but I have tried to grant you the benefit of the doubt, awaiting some kind of solid evidence to be produced that might help your case. If you think that Joe and I have been harsh on your claims, you have seen nothing - I hope you will pitch this tale of "Oz" to real historians and publicly, and be prepared for some tough questions. Few will have the patience that Joe has exhibited with you, and some will not be so polite about their opinions.
I wish you luck in your projects, although part of it I would be very much against. Unless you can post something more substantial than more mind games, I am pretty well done with this. I would be happy to discuss and debate history with you any time - but no nonsense either.
Oroblanco