Peralta Letter

[redison]

Redison,

Thanks for sharing the Jake stories!
This was shaping up to be a really interesting thread until it suddenly went into the dumper.

Wiz,

I could tell you "Jake Stories" for hours and hours. Whether or not any of them are true or not I still don't know. But I can tell you that they are all very entertaining! Jake could Mesmerize you into a state that you didn't care if it was true or not, you just wanted to hear the rest of the story.

It is no surprise to me that he talked so many people out of so much money to back him in the mtns.

Did he get a trunk full of boxes with Ruth's papers in them? Hell I don't know. He did show me a lot of old papers that could have been old Mexican Documents. He showed them to a lot of other people too. He was in D.C. at the right time period. He actually grew up in a small Pennsylvania town not far from D.C.

One thing I know about Jake that comes from source other than Jake, is that the reason he was in the Denny's Restaurant where he had the "Fatal" Heart Attack (It he did indeed die) was to meet with two other men that he was planning to go spend two weeks on Peter's Mesa with. Doesn't sound like he was bedridden or in poor health to me.

I'm not calling Joe's "friend" a liar. I don't believe Joe has a friend. If anybody is lieing I would guess it is Joe. Too many holes in his quickly fabricated story.

Joe

If you are going to invent "Stories" Joe, you should at least include a word or two of truth in them to create a little authenticity. Jake's manuscript is HUGE and it was done and already in the private hands of several people before he went into prison. It very well could be the largest one ever written on the subject. It is not some rinky dink little thing that he was still in the process of moving things around in like you suggest.

If you had really ever seen it, you would have known that.

redison

[skeelos]

Quoted for emphasis:

Redison,

Thanks for sharing the Jake stories!
This was shaping up to be a really interesting thread until it suddenly went into the dumper.

Very good stuff from everyone, uh, those who are actually posting items related to the LDM, *ahem*. I'm curious though, why did Crazy Jake leave Washington and end up in the Supes looking for the LDM? What I mean is, it sounds like those boxes of Ruth's stuff is what sent him west. Was that the case?

[redison]

Quoted for emphasis:

Redison,

Thanks for sharing the Jake stories!
This was shaping up to be a really interesting thread until it suddenly went into the dumper.

Very good stuff from everyone, uh, those who are actually posting items related to the LDM, *ahem*. I'm curious though, why did Crazy Jake leave Washington and end up in the Supes looking for the LDM? What I mean is, it sounds like those boxes of Ruth's stuff is what sent him west. Was that the case?

As I understood it Skeelos,

Jake had many conversations with Erwin about the lost Peralta mines and he developed a sincere interest in the subject. When the shit hit the fan in D.C. after the Kennedy assasination, and Jake found out that all of his friends in the Agency were "commiting suicide", the Superstition Mountains seemed like a pretty safe place for Jake to disappear into.

redison

[Wiz]

I could tell you "Jake Stories" for hours and hours. Whether or not any of them are true or not I still don't know. But I can tell you that they are all very entertaining! Jake could Mesmerize you into a state that you didn't care if it was true or not, you just wanted to hear the rest of the story.

"If it isn't true, it should be".
I've heard the same thing from other folks who knew Jake. I have the impression that he was quite volatile, but if he was in a good mood he was a great guy. Everyone seems to have liked him. Except the folks he swindled, of course.
Skeelos has a good point: if not the Ruth documents, what DID send Jake out here?

[redison]

I could tell you "Jake Stories" for hours and hours. Whether or not any of them are true or not I still don't know. But I can tell you that they are all very entertaining! Jake could Mesmerize you into a state that you didn't care if it was true or not, you just wanted to hear the rest of the story.

"If it isn't true, it should be".
I've heard the same thing from other folks who knew Jake. I have the impression that he was quite volatile, but if he was in a good mood he was a great guy. Everyone seems to have liked him. Except the folks he swindled, of course.
Skeelos has a good point: if not the Ruth documents, what DID send Jake out here?

For whatever it's worth, I knew Jake and I believe he got the boxes of Ruth Documents. I think I personally saw some of them and I believe Jake found the area they applied to.

Jake zeroed in on Peter's Mesa and had a large portion of it filed with mining claims long before anyone else got real serious about the area.

His problem was that the Mesa covers a LOT of area, and he was looking for small mine openings that had been intentionally concealled.

redison

[redison]

Wow,

Now everyone will know we are all just the same person! How could we all be on at this time of the morning? Just chance? I think not.

No mystery here Joe,

Anyone can plainly see that TGH and I are just early risers.
redison

[TGH]

Back to being serious...I have visited some of the places Jake had been interested in. Not much there to see except the view these days. The entire area at the head of Squaw Canyon is interesting.

Its great fun climbing up Squaw from Labarge....go 10 steps..rest...go 15..rest ..go 15 again ....sit down for a while...lol

P

I mean Wyatt
no i mean Wiz
err, no I mean Redison
nope I mean kk
heck I meant Azmula
oh hell I'm confused now.....lol

[redison]

[quote="TGH"]The entire area at the head of Squaw Canyon is interesting.


P


TGH

Jake had SOMETHING up there. I don't know what he had, I don't think he even knew what he had, But I do know that he never gave up on the area. He totally believed that the information he had that sent him there was good information and that the Peralta Mines were within his reach there.

redison

[Wiz]

Back to being serious...I have visited some of the places Jake had been interested in. Not much there to see except the view these days. The entire area at the head of Squaw Canyon is interesting.

Its great fun climbing up Squaw from Labarge....go 10 steps..rest...go 15..rest ..go 15 again ....sit down for a while...lol

Boy, ain't that the truth! Crumbly and slippery too. I did a lot of butt-sliding on my way back down when I made that trek, and not on purpose either.
The whole Marsh Valley area is really interesting. Lots of big, old monuments. Some you can tell are old by the way the lichen grows. From the top of Squaw the view is beautiful. Triangle Cave is interesting too, lots of sign of Indian occupation, as well as trash from more recent bozos.

Of course, most everyone here already knows all this. I'm just babbling because I'm so glad to be back on topic.

[Gene Reynolds]

I am truly sorry and apologize to all of you.............. But I have had enough of the childish fighting. We all had a responsible thread going here and now there is nothing but fighting.

I am getting good results back on Jake and should have a good deal on this in 2 days and with results you may not be aware of - starting from Penn. to DC (was he ever really there?) did he ever really meat or know the Ruths? I am getting answers guys - and all the forum wants to do is act like children and fight with each other..........

There is no excuse for grown men to act like children! If you want this forum to continue - you will all stop right now - otherwise it will shortly be a deserted Island. I for one have had enough - I am trying to be a part of your group and I enjoy ALL of you - but I have now had enough -

Good Bye and good Luck to ALL of you........I wish you all the best - for there is indeed a great deal of knowledge and talent here - that is not working together as it should be. There is no one in this group that is stupid or ignorant - just head strong...... Stop all this or you will lose many more.........

My sincerest regrets - Gene Reynolds

[Wiz]

I for one have had enough - I am trying to be a part of your group and I enjoy ALL of you - but I have now had enough -

Good Bye and good Luck to ALL of you........I wish you all the best - for there is indeed a great deal of knowledge and talent here - that is not working together as it should be. There is no one in this group that is stupid or ignorant - just head strong...... Stop all this or you will lose many more.........

Gene,

You're absolutely right, and I don't blame you a bit.

I hope you're not leaving for good - maybe only until some sanity and maturity returns to this forum. Either way, you'll be missed.
Good luck and godspeed in all your endeavors.

[azdave35]

wiz...your one of the people gene is talking about....me and others here have repeatedly asked you and a few others to stop your bickering....but you and your sparring partners wont listen....now we are losing another good man because he dont want to listen to it anymore....all the top guys dont post anymore...gene is right....if you fools dont quit there wont be a forum anymore...you'll have to find another forum to act stupid on...every time a thread comes up that i'm interested in one of you idiots jump in and start a fight....if you really want to fight...be a man and have a gun fight....

[Wiz]

wiz...your one of the people gene is talking about....me and others here have repeatedly asked you and a few others to stop your bickering....but you and your sparring partners wont listen....now we are losing another good man because he dont want to listen to it anymore....all the top guys dont post anymore...gene is right....if you fools dont quit there wont be a forum anymore...you'll have to find another forum to act stupid on...every time a thread comes up that i'm interested in one of you idiots jump in and start a fight....if you really want to fight...be a man and have a gun fight....

Dave,
I'm not arguing with you, or denying any involvement. But you may have noticed that I'm not part of the current feeding frenzy. No matter. You're right, although you could have said it without adding further insults. I've stopped, and I won't be part of it again. Does that count for anything? In the current madhouse environment, though, this really limits the opportunities to speak.

But I disagree with you about having a gunfight. Do you think anything has been said on this forum that warrants a killing? I don't.
Now that you have all that off your chest, will you join me in a cease-fire?

[skeelos]

I I for one have had enough - I am trying to be a part of your group and I enjoy ALL of you - but I have now had enough -

Good Bye and good Luck to ALL of you........

I hope there is a firestorm of protest over your decision to leave the forum, and I'll lend my voice to that. I hope you reconsider. The good thing about online forums is that anyone and everyone CAN say whatever they want. The bad thing about online forums is that anyone and everyone WILL say whatever they want. The best thing though, is that I can skip over the rubbish.

That said, I'm going to get on my soapbox about the degredation of the forums, and I'm not taking any sides except my own. For those of you who are compelled to sling your own feces like a monkey on monkey island, I have a question, albeit rhetorical. Who are you trying to convince? If you're trying to convince your target, you should be smart enough to know that it is a lost cause trying to persuade someone in that manner. If you're trying to convince yourself, then you're the one with the problem. If you're trying to convince anyone else on the forum, all you're doing is making yourself look bad. Don't let a turd pull you down into their cesspool.
/end rant

[azdave35]

i'm not trying to insult anyone...just trying to wake a few people up around here...this used to be a very good forum with alot of informative posts and it can be again if we can all keep our posts on the subject that this forum is named for...the lost dutchman mine.....i have been treasure hunting for 25 years and have alot of info on the supers but i rarely post anything on it cuz of the bickering...i've made a few friends through private messaging that i talk to about the supers though....

[rochha]

All,

What a waste of a perfectly good Lost Dutchman Forum!

Rochha

[Knun]

When some one like Gene throws in his two cents worth, and bows out, I would hope this is ANOTHER wake up call. Yet at times I wonder if eliminating those willing to discuss this legend openly is not the intent all along.

The sarcastic baiting and incessant challenges are numbing to say the least. I, for one, chose not to become involved with the intent that not participating would limit the volume.

Most here have much, much more info on this legend than I but I truly feel I could contribute and I'm sure others feel the same. However, there really is no point when the atmosphere and posts degrade in every single discussion.

I'm sure this post (and the many others like it) is a total waste of typing and the long winded sniping will continue but it would be nice for this board to return to discussions of the LDM.

[Wiz]

I'm with you 100%.

[skeelos]

I'd like to return to the original post in this thread for a moment, particularly the post script to the letter:

My uncle say to tell you he has his fathers maps with true directions still but as he do not need directions can give you better as old ones are too correct and too mathematical.
E.D.

What are people's opinions about what that sentence means? The part that is perplexing me is the "...too correct and too mathematical." Specifically the use of the word "too". Did he mean that the old maps are ALSO correct but bothersome to use because of extensive mathematics involved in their use?

Plus, what "old ones" is he referring to? Granted, I'm still very new to this game, but I haven't seen any maps that involve mathematics with the possible exception of the stone maps.

[Wiz]

It might take us back to the Salazar Survey. Very precise if you know what it means. But someone who had been to the spot could just guide you right there without all the angle-figuring, etc.

Maybe!

[Joe Ribaudo]

Skeelos,

I believe Wiz is on the money here. Some people are just more comfortable with the nunbers and angles. My Uncle Chuck would probably take you to a square inch of land with the right angles and numbers.

Others, like me, are more comfortable with directions like P.C. Bicknell's.

Are you a fan of Gyros?

Respectfully,

Joe Ribaudo

[TGH]

Wiz,

Talking about the Marsh Valley area. I did some trapsing about (in 110 degree weather with not much water...something I do not recommend) and came upon a very very old trail worn down into the bedrock. The trail did not lead me to Peters Mesa or Bluffspring Mtn, but lead westward up a short ridge.

I cant help but wonder if this trail wasnt used by the Mexican Mining parties going back and forth between the camps in Marsh Valley and some of their workings over in the Goldfield area. Wonder too if this was the route they took in 64 when they were chased out of there by Apache.

P

[late49er]

Mr. Reynolds,

I have read a number of your posts and have enjoyed your insights into the history of the LDM.

Hope you will re-consider your action.

Sometimes things get a little nuts here but it seems folks have signed a peace treaty and hopefully things will get a lot better.

I do have a question for you. In you research on the Peralta Operations did you ever come across a mention of a Martin H. Martin was a German mining specialist who worked in the Arizona/Nevada area.

Regards,

Late 49er

[Joe Ribaudo]

Late,

There are times when people try to portray an image that they think will gain them something, or present themselves as having a poor education. (less threatening) My friend Bill comes to mind. I detected this early on in his posts, and exchanged some private messages with him. Everyone here might be surprised at the other side of the coin I received in those private conversations.

I have always suspected the same thing with the "Peralta" letters. The style seems like a facade to me. I wonder if anyone else gets the same impression.

Respectfully,

Joe

[hound dog]

I have a fried that new Jake and helped him many times. He has the story that Jake wrote while he was in prision. I am prepared to varify this as Jake had a special car, If anyone knew him they would have known about this car. PM me if you would like to know more.

hound dog


PS the book is about 800 pages legal size yellow lined hand written.