Lost Dutchman Goldmine

Jacob Waltz has left his empression on a lot of people. His last words are said to have been a blessing for Julia Thomas. Thinking of others as you lay on your deathbed shows the real character of the Dutchman. He lived in hard times, where men had to make hard decisions. It's nice to see people pay...

Nicoh, Page 87 of Helen Corbin's, The Curse of The Dutchman's Gold. It is not a map, but a drawing. I think Jim Bark may have been the source, but I don't know that for a fact. Someone in this forum will be able to enlighten us both, I am sure. I thought it might be a good topic for the members. We ...

Anyone have comments on the drawing Waltz was suppose to have given to Reiney a month or so before he died? Since it is the only one we have a copy of, despite rumors of more, perhaps we should work off the assumption it is the only one he drew. If so can any conclusions be drawn from what we do hav...

Peter, Sounds like you have the Apache angle down pat. The idea that they could not individualy function in a secret society sounds much like the Italians denying the existance of the Mafia. Now if you happen to BE an Apache, I would take your word at the same worth as the Italians mentioned above. ...

Peter, We were obviously followed from the mountains to Phoenix and into the middle of a large trailer park by two Indian looking chaps. Your absolute statement falls on deaf ears here. I will agree it's possible there is no such thing as the Black Legion, but there was someone trying to make us bel...

Peter,
I have heard many stories over the years concerning the Black Legion. They all point to warnings to stay out of the mountains, as exactly their M.O.

Peter, Thanks for your input. A lot of your comments are beyond my scope. As for Waltz finding his gold at the massacre site, no one should hang there hat on that speculation. I started with that premise to begin a dialog and have not been disapointed. I believe Waltz was at the massacre grounds, bu...

Large, as in football player size.

S.C.,
These boys were red, not white, and large for the locals.

Am I the only person on this forum who has run across these guys? That is really hard to believe. Like Elvis, have they left the building? A lot can happen in thirty years, but I thought these creeps would still be around. Perhaps no modern day hunters are searching in there area of interest. :lol:

As I look back to where this particular subject started and how it evolved to where it is now, one thing stands out as patently obvious. I felt that redundancy was called for here. There are a few individuals in this forum with the inside knowledge, skill and natural instincts, that if they were com...

Hi Roger, You are quoting a book I have not read yet. I had never read of the Edwards family until Glover brought them into the ever expanding Lost Dutchman legend. How did Glover, who had the information first, fail to mention the Marsh Valley camp, as the end of the battle trail from the Massacre ...

Ron, Actually I said Storm was a pretty fair geologist, which would be less then good. I could be wrong about that, but I seem to remember reading that he had some formal training in the field. I personally have no illusions as to Storms character. How good Storm, or anyone else is at reading rocks,...

About 35 years ago, I made a trip to Black Top Mesa to work on Chuck's claim. My dad Tony, Ernie and two other guys were also on that trip. We worked the weekend and drove back to the trailer park Chuck was living in. On the highway a car came alongside us. I was sitting in the back and noticed two ...

Tracy, I don't remember Chuck mentioning a wooden bed or sacks of ore. That, of course, does not mean he didn't tell me about them. He did say something about a gold sunburst and a gold statue of a priest. Can't remember which cave they were associated with. As for the gold in either cave story bein...

The question that these stories bring up, is, are there two caves with gold bars? Since the original finders were involved in both searches, Brady to a lesser degree, you would think one or the other would have been located. Since Brady backed out of the search for his cave, I would have to guess he...

Ron, Two thing keeps bothering me, concerning the lack of any rich ore deposit's existing in the western portion of the Superstitions. First, I only know of two published finds of gold float ore east of Bluff Spring Mountain. With your time in the mountains I am sure you can give us a better tally t...

Tracy, Thanks for clearing up the caves. I will add what I remember, or at least close to it. Your statement that the Brady cave was close to Al's camp is correct. Chuck spent a day on his horse, Joe, looking for that cave. It was very rough riding, and Chuck did not have the hammer loop on his Colt...

Wiz, You may find some possible answers to your question in a book by Graham Hancock. If you have not read it, try Fingerprints of the Gods. Hancock does offer an explanation as to why there are so many similar legends thruout the world. In short, an advanced seafaring civilization that existed befo...

Peter, Your conclusion that you can't exclude the eastern portion of the range for the location of the LDM is right on target. In my less then qualified opinion, no area should be left out, for any reason. If the LDM could be found by using the science of geology, this forum would not exist. Storm w...

I will show my ignorance once more. Are you discounting the possibility of an intrusion, chimney or vent bringing up ore in isolated situations? Since the mine of the Dutchman was described as a chimney and not in a place you would expect to find mineralization, I would expect to find it in a very u...

I received an e-mail from Tracy Hawkins tonight. He set me straight on the cave story. Seems the story I related to the forum, although true, was tied to a perp named Bob Brady. The good news is we now have another cave with gold bars. My uncle mentioned Tracy many times thru the years and I know he...

Tracy, I was really glad to receive your e-mail. Chuck told me the story on the cave of gold bars many years ago. I did not remember the name, but the story of Harry France and his cave fit well. It would be a good thing if you were to relate the true story of the cave of gold bars in the forum. I h...

LDM, Thanks for your assessment on the geology contained in the Superstitions. I must admit, Uncle Chuck told me pretty much the same thing around thirty years ago. I never questioned his information, because he was right so much of the time. Some artifacts found in the mountains, strongly suggest m...

Twenty or so years ago we were camped in a little saddle to the west of Piper Spring, and noticed a campfire below us back towards the Needle. All six or so of us trooped down to gab. A man in his late fourties to mid fifties, as a guess, was there with his wife. She was a class looking lady with a ...