Lost Dutchman Goldmine

Mitchell wrote Hey guys, great site. Been reading on and off for a while about the LDM. Just trying to get an understanding of this story a little better. I have never fisted the superstition mountains. I live in Texas. I firmly believe that no way could Waltz at 80 do a massive cover up to the entr...

:lol: :lol: :lol: Joe you may have missed your calling, if that story can be our guide! The blend of real persons and events with fiction make for a most compelling story. I hope you will consider (or reconsider) writing a book. Just so long as you do not follow the pattern of some fellows! What is ...

Mike - thank you for the explanation, of course you are certain they are all Spanish, but all of these could be of another origin, could they not? What I would like to see is something that is undeniably Spanish in origin, like this: <Hmm having a problem reducing the size of this, sorry about that!...

Ben wrote Once proof is presented Roy wants to put everyone in jail. Well I have never heard of anyone being arrested for a fictional event so this point is rather uncertain. Then too, even if the story of the theft and smuggling were true, there are statutory limits on such things. :mrgreen: Sorry ...

Hola amigos, Joe - thank you for the very kind offer! I am in no hurry whatsoever and can afford to wait for this fall, and get a peek at it at the rendezvous. I did know that it is more in the nature of a pamphlet than a book, think it is something like 70 odd or even 50 odd pages. The date (from m...

Great photos Mike thank you for sharing this. I do have a question that is relevant (aren't you proud of me that I could do that? :roll: :mrgreen: ) but is there any marker or marking that specifically can be shown to be Spanish in origins, beyond dispute? Thank you in advance, hope that you followe...

Novice posted What Spanish Treasure symbol sources were available to Travis Tumlinson when he carved the stones about 1949? Well we know that Mahan's work was not, O'Higgins book with the identical title "Early Spanish Treasure Signs and Symbols" was in print but sort of rare, I know that ...

Hi Joe, I hope all is well with you folks. The good weather had kept us fairly busy, so I can't even whine about the weather this time! My apologies if I drove off Ben, had no intention of that. I fear that I am very much not up to date on the state of research on pre-Clovis, thought that Cactus Hil...

Klondike wrote Anyway good luck to you and you might want to tell Roy that handing out speeding tickets in the Indy 500 is not going to accomplish anything. I did not re-post your entire message there amigo, but "hateful" and "mean spirited"? Really? Where? Simply because some of...

That is the article Paul, thanks for finding it. I am pretty sure Bicknell is talking about something located more near the western end of the range than east, as Pinto creek actually flows past several copper mines just before crossing the highway. Whether he was just making it up or not I sure don...

Hi Joe,

Well thanks for looking anyway. I just tried to find the article online but apparently it isn't online. I am pretty sure it was 1894 though.

Roy

Joe <Cactusjumper> wrote Roy, A quick search brought up some of the information: <snip> Thanks Joe, really this Ludi lost mine story is another Two Soldiers isn't it? Makes one wonder if that is not at the root of the 2 Soldiers story that got blended into Waltz. There are at least three different l...

Cactusjumper wrote You are mistaken about the two soldiers. They were Union. Two brothers, last name......Ludi. Hi Joe, Thank you for the correction, the story (as found in a couple of sources including Barry Storm) have it as Jacobs and Ludi incorrectly. Also I did not state they were Confederate, ...

Potbelly Jim wrote My point is, there are no secrets in prospecting. If Jake had a mine of any substance, it would have been noticed long before it was. The only stories we have to go on, come to us from folks who didn’t even know that Waltz was mining in the Bradshaws. They had to make up backstori...

PPS - I should have specified, the stories of Waltz having a stash of gold bars are not based on fact, there are several un-related stories of stashes of gold bars in Arizona, NM and California with varying degrees of documentation. Waltz was never seen selling or cashing in any gold bars, only very...

Hola amigos, I think a major problem arises in the modern sources, when we ought to stick to the oldest available as they were closest to the original source - Waltz. Mitchell reported two witnesses who saw Waltz sell a burro load of very rich gold ore in Florence; he raised several thousand dollars...

Joe, thank you for the very kind words, and I agree that getting us back to the books is generally a good thing. Getting folks to go risk life and limb based on a fiction on the other hand is not, but that is just a personal opinion. I do not understand why some people have a compulsion to blend fic...

Paul - no need to explain, and I am sorry to hear that you have had health issues. I hope that you are well on the road to being 100%, and as for this discussion I don't think there is a negative in researching a matter even if it seems far-fetched. I am a bit jealous that you live so close to anoth...

Klondike wrote Hello Roy, I believe Klondike made it perfectly clear to you that there is nothing to see on Coronado Mesa. Is Eldorado Canyon important to the history of the Superstitions you bet. I would imagine there would be no safety concerns in visiting Eldorado Canyon and looking out over a th...

Klondike wrote Hello Roy, Seems your panties are in quite the wad there. Perhaps keeping to the discussion would be helpful and trying to avoid well sensationalism would be a better path. Ah, so an insult is supposed to convince me? Rest assured that I am very far from excited, unless you consider d...

Hi Joe, All is well here, in fact much better than expected in so far as weather has been concerned. I hope all is well with you folks - and please give an extra snack to Smoky? I am well aware that Ben/Klondike/Late 49er/Starman/Peter is highly intelligent and has presented many interesting histori...

jalidi, Ditto - Welcome to the LDM Forum! Something else to consider is the possibility that Waltz's mine has been uncovered by erosion and the elements; according to one set of clues, the vein crops out below the actual mine, down in the canyon some distance and Waltz made some effort to conceal th...

Greetings, I am breaking my word to reply again, just rather astonished at the latest turns of this story. "You folks got a bible out of all this." Right, and you have presented zero evidence to support that contention, as with so many previous points. Klondike or whoever you really are, y...

Just a bit on the signs that we sometimes find; I think that we treasure hunters may be a bit too quick to make conclusions when we do find odd symbols marked, far from roads. Not just Spanish or Jesuits could be the only answers as to who made them. We found a series of odd marks in the Dos Cabezas...

Somehiker wrote Roy: Rather than "generically catholic",I see them as generically Christian. While researching such "Raampa secret symbols" may be entertaining,I doubt any solution derived by using them would make much sense.If one of the principals suspected of carving the maps ...