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- Sun May 15, 2022 11:05 am
- Forum: LDM Discussions
- Topic: Bonanza Gold
- Replies: 9
- Views: 18899
Re: Bonanza Gold
... hidden, and it can be proven geologically. On a related subject………….. about 7 years ago, a mercury vapor detector was rented to prove the cart ruts in solid rock and that the ore from the district was processed in First Water Canyon. The details of the investigation were posted on this site. ...
- Thu Oct 21, 2021 9:02 pm
- Forum: LDM Discussions
- Topic: Acknowledging the Pima Nation
- Replies: 4
- Views: 8170
Re: Acknowledging the Pima Nation
... district to be true. For me, it ranks up there with the Salazar Survey, the discovery of high levels of mercury in First Water Canyon, the cart ruts in solid rock, and the comprehensiveness of the Minas del Oro map. Only the fact that there is a very large IOCG gold deposit that defines the ...
- Mon Jun 28, 2021 11:12 am
- Forum: LDM Discussions
- Topic: Rendezvous and Ely's Book
- Replies: 11
- Views: 18069
Re: Rendezvous and Ely's Book
... to the Molly Marie, and might be the event described by the Indians (filling in and covering up a mine). I know you've found what looks like cart ruts, evidence of abnormally high mercury levels, etc. Have you ever found any shafts that appear to have been filled in?
- Sat Mar 21, 2020 4:55 pm
- Forum: LDM Discussions
- Topic: SME Presentation
- Replies: 7
- Views: 14269
SME Presentation
... the arrow points from the label “First Water Creek” was suspected to be where the arrastras (crushers) where located. • The spot labeled “cart ruts” will be shown in detail, and are located on the large “Camino”(road) on the map. • The “Placeras del Oro” (gold placers) were suspected to be ...
- Thu May 30, 2019 8:24 pm
- Forum: LDM Discussions
- Topic: Massacure
- Replies: 61
- Views: 216517
Re: Massacure
... Mercury” it was documented that a great amount of mercury can be found in the soil by the satellite First Water ranch. This, coupled with the cart ruts (Ox-Carts thread) leading there is undeniable evidence there was a large mining operation. But how could the Peraltas have pulled it off without ...
- Sun Jun 17, 2018 10:24 am
- Forum: LDM Discussions
- Topic: The Great Mine
- Replies: 14
- Views: 31175
The Great Mine
My greatest challenge during my search has been coming to grips with just how big the mining operations actually were. The cart ruts told of countless loads of ore going to First Water Canyon, but it didn’t completely “sink in”. Over the past month, I’ve been poring over Cerro Negra, trying ...
- Mon Jun 05, 2017 8:14 pm
- Forum: LDM Discussions
- Topic: The Peralta's, and Mercury
- Replies: 4
- Views: 7333
The Peralta's, and Mercury
... their ore in First Water Canyon was the Minas del Oro map and the thought that it wasn’t the Salt River area as it’s labeled. Subsequently, cart ruts were found leading into the awning area and a dam site surrounded by solid rock was located there also. It was then known that the windmill/awning ...
- Tue May 03, 2016 6:51 pm
- Forum: LDM Discussions
- Topic: Cerro Negra
- Replies: 17
- Views: 28137
Re: Cerro Negra
Hello Joe, My guess is that these ruts were made over a period of approximately 150 years. There were probably dozens of different people directly in charge of haulage operations during that time, and between them they had many different methods ...
- Wed Apr 20, 2016 11:58 am
- Forum: LDM Discussions
- Topic: Cerro Negra
- Replies: 17
- Views: 28137
Re: Cerro Negra
Jack, http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj268/cactus_jumper/ruts1_zpsxrqp16i9.jpg My problem with the ruts is not from any position of knowledge, but was based on the multiple directions and length of the ruts. That, despite your explanation above, just ...
- Sun Apr 17, 2016 5:14 pm
- Forum: LDM Discussions
- Topic: Cerro Negra
- Replies: 17
- Views: 28137
Re: Cerro Negra
Hello Joe, Your analysis is well taken, and am glad you took the time to research, but the comparison of Oregon Trail ruts to these is not a reasonable assumption. The wagons and carts on the Oregon trail were going one-way; they were never coming back. The wagon trails made by settlers ...
- Fri Apr 08, 2016 8:37 am
- Forum: LDM Discussions
- Topic: Cerro Negra
- Replies: 17
- Views: 28137
Re: Cerro Negra
Jack,
Those "ruts" look like natural formations to me. Here is where you will see what they should look like:
http://www.eg.bucknell.edu/~hyde/jackso ... nTrip.html
Good luck,
Joe
Those "ruts" look like natural formations to me. Here is where you will see what they should look like:
http://www.eg.bucknell.edu/~hyde/jackso ... nTrip.html
Good luck,
Joe
- Thu Apr 07, 2016 8:39 pm
- Forum: LDM Discussions
- Topic: Cerro Negra
- Replies: 17
- Views: 28137
Re: Cerro Negra
Hello Joe, I don’t know about the ruts you are referring to on the East Side, but below is a link to the ruts I’m talking about on the West Side and on the now-gated road to the First Water Ranch awning. This is not in the wilderness: http://mollymarieprospect.com/Peralta2posting/ruts1.JPG ...
- Thu Apr 07, 2016 9:38 am
- Forum: LDM Discussions
- Topic: Cerro Negra
- Replies: 17
- Views: 28137
Re: Cerro Negra
Jack,
As I recall, the ruts are in the eastern part of the range. The caves of gold bars are in the western end.
Take care,
Joe
As I recall, the ruts are in the eastern part of the range. The caves of gold bars are in the western end.
Take care,
Joe
- Mon Apr 04, 2016 9:07 pm
- Forum: LDM Discussions
- Topic: Cerro Negra
- Replies: 17
- Views: 28137
Re: Cerro Negra
Hello Joe, I'm glad you picked that story as it dovetails well with mine. My favorite is not a story, but is the cart ruts. They tell a story of their own; more than a century, or more likely, a century and-a-half of broken muck was hauled over the same spot. It is hard to believe ...
- Wed Dec 16, 2015 9:09 pm
- Forum: LDM Discussions
- Topic: Casa Caverna
- Replies: 12
- Views: 20383
Re: Casa Caverna
... there is not one bit of physical evidence that the Peralta family was near the Superstitions…………until now. The photos I’ve posted here of the cart ruts are hard evidence that the Peraltas were here, in large numbers. As can be seen in the photos, the rock is so hard that the 4wd traffic crossing ...
- Thu Nov 05, 2015 8:00 pm
- Forum: LDM Discussions
- Topic: Blood in the Water
- Replies: 2
- Views: 6645
Re: Blood in the Water
... show how the road had to zig-zag to negotiate the too-steep portion of the hill down to First Water Ranch. With the Minas Del Oro map, logic, cart ruts, and the mercury vapor survey, the following theories were derived (some I have said before): • Those are not arrastras on the Minas del Oro map. ...
- Fri Oct 30, 2015 6:25 pm
- Forum: LDM Discussions
- Topic: Blood in the Water
- Replies: 2
- Views: 6645
Blood in the Water
... and then spike to 2000 to 3000 nanograms (2 to 3 micrograms) in several holes, and drop down again. Note: the USGS paper posted in the Cart Ruts thread recorded 66 nanograms per cubic meter. The geology of the Superstitions does not support a natural mercury deposit as the USGS paper implied, ...
- Wed Sep 16, 2015 9:58 pm
- Forum: LDM Discussions
- Topic: Ox-Carts
- Replies: 7
- Views: 15640
Re: Ox-Carts
Some more photos were taken of the cart ruts after the rain had washed them clean. In this photo, if you zoom in, the frame from the First Water Ranch windmill can be seen: http://mollymarieprospect.com/Peralta2posting/ruts1.JPG Here is a close-up ...
- Mon Aug 24, 2015 9:33 pm
- Forum: LDM Discussions
- Topic: Ox-Carts
- Replies: 7
- Views: 15640
Re: Ox-Carts
... a week for someone to respond to my post. My primary reason for posting was not to “stir the pot” but to see if anyone had any ideas about the ruts. I believe they are a “big deal”. I went out Saturday and cleaned them out with a whisk broom and used a ladder and a good camera to get some pictures ...
- Tue Aug 18, 2015 9:58 pm
- Forum: LDM Discussions
- Topic: Ox-Carts
- Replies: 7
- Views: 15640
Ox-Carts
... dam site(I have posted about the possibility of crushers there before) and came across this: http://mollymarieprospect.com/Peralta2posting/cartruts.JPG I have walked over the same spot a half a dozen times and did not notice it till now. I have been back 3 times to photograph and measure and ...
- Sat Dec 21, 2013 2:17 pm
- Forum: LDM Discussions
- Topic: LOST OR.....FOUND?
- Replies: 302
- Views: 440222
Re: LOST OR.....FOUND?
Paul: Was there any sign of the use of heavy equipment at either location. Ruts or other damage to the surroundings ? Newer growth replacing older....etc. ? That's something hard to hide, even after a number of years has passed, and something the USFS would have ...
- Tue Apr 12, 2011 10:08 pm
- Forum: Non LDM Lost Treasure, Mines, Old West, etc
- Topic: Atlantis
- Replies: 15
- Views: 27374
Re: Atlantis
... have been made in those same areas. One of the strange bits of evidence that (personal opinion) may be proof of Atlantis are the odd "wheel ruts" found on the island of Malta and elsewhere. Some are traced to below the current sea levels, indicating that they were in use when the sea ...
- Sat Apr 05, 2008 6:40 am
- Forum: LDM Discussions
- Topic: moral behavior & treasure hunting
- Replies: 66
- Views: 47083
Critter
... always, always, always feel obligated to protect the wilderness. Those of you who answered yes need a reality check. My footprints leave no deeper ruts than those left by wild horses. If I dig a hole the size of a coffee can, I fill it before I leave. There is never a good reason to destroy the ...
- Sun Aug 13, 2006 4:48 am
- Forum: LDM Discussions
- Topic: Black Cross Butte(s)
- Replies: 22
- Views: 20842
- Sat Aug 12, 2006 11:02 pm
- Forum: LDM Discussions
- Topic: Black Cross Butte(s)
- Replies: 22
- Views: 20842
Hiking
SH, Welcome back. Those ruts have raised a lot of eyebrows over the years. Did you get some nice pictures? Hiking thru all of these areas tends to give us all, I believe, a special feeling. Walking the same trails, seeing exactly the ...