Lost Dutchman Goldmine

B wrote "The man known as the Dutchman that in your records he is still referred to by the shortened name of Waltz: his name positively was Waltzer as any old timer can testify. I have suspected for some time, but cannot prove, that the Walzer name variation we see in stories and oral memories ...

Hi Mike, <and everyone who reads this> This is a long reply, so I must beg your indulgence. Perhaps I should have specified " out of Arizona " rather than Mexico. Perhaps also, you are giving the Franciscan origin short shrift, unfairly? For one instance, remember that the Franciscans bein...

Mike wrote I also am of the impression that they are Jesuit in origin. I say that because they are the only ones that would have needed to hide their maps for many years before they would be recovered. The Jesuit Order was reinstated in 1814, which left them many years to recover the loot, dump the ...

Hola amigos, B, don't let my arguments push you and your associates into some kind of quandary or rush to a decision, for there is certainly no rush from my point of view. However impatient I may be, such a decision would have long-lasting effects regardless of which way it goes. Once the 'genie is ...

Hola amigos, At the risk of taking this still farther off-topic, I have to add a bit here. Alan - on checking, there are Cambrian age rocks in the Superstition Wilderness area; here is a relevant extract from the USGS study done in Paleozoic rocks Thick sections of Paleozoic sedimentary rocks are fo...

Muchas gracias amigo for the very kind words, but I am still learning geology so don't take my word as 'gospel' on it. I would also like to recommend a different resource on the geology of the Superstitions rather than the USGS studies; the USGS studies tend to run a little bit 'technical' for most ...

Greetings Ronn, As far as Waltz having a mine, all we can prove is that he had very rich gold ore in his possession, which was compared to all the known ores of Arizona and it does not match any known source. Some have postulated that he never had a mine at all, that it was stolen etc but we also kn...

Hello again, I have to respectfully disagree on several issues in your last posts B, firstly the report posted by Wasp was nothing but the cover sheet you get with assay reports, that covers in a general way gold ores. Secondly, the Matchbox ore is not what I would call epithermal; it has large part...

Hola amigos, This will be a very long reply so I must beg your indulgence. <B wrote> Maybe what this should tell us is the work done by others rarely proves anything. Maybe with luck, the availablility of a few primary sources we can catch a glimpse of the past no more no less. Just for the record, ...

Greetings B, Joe and everyone, <B wrote> Do you care for gardening? There is a wonderful spot in the Roger`s Canyon area where a small Rose garden exists. I care for it as best I can. This particular garden was planted by a gatekeeper over a 150 years ago and is very close to a covered Peralta Mine....

Hola amigos, What is meant by the term "gatekeepers"? Is that an un-official term, rather like the rancher who owns a most interesting ancient Amerindian site in Utah, who kept it a family secret for decades? B wrote The central figure in the LDM came to Arizona from Germany thru South Afr...

Greetings Joe and B, This reply is another very long-winded one, so I must beg your indulgence yet again. <Joe R wrote> Roy has an education, world history wise, .... That makes him the perfect candidate for a tour of OZ Thank you for the very kind words my friend. I feel that your own knowledge of ...

B wrote As far as the map room in Oz <snip> The exact size is not important but the library and map room would easily fit in say a 2000 sq.ft. residence. The exact size is not of great importance, however details sometimes can help establish truth versus fiction. Hence my curiosity, it was not inten...

Joe wrote The Golden Plates have never been available for viewing, because the church doesn't have them.....never did, as far as I remember. Just in case you weren't aware, there has been a Mormon connection to the Tucson artifacts. I would have to find my notes to elaborate. I know the "offici...

Thank you Joe! Yes I have read Covey's book but it was some years ago and my notes are not available to me at the moment, so I appreciate your finding the relevant passage. I only recalled the three named Europeans (or I should say Old World) and forgot the 700 soldiers. This certainly suggests more...

Hola amigos, This will be a VERY long-winded reply, so I must beg your indulgence. First, thank you B for the kind words and wishes. B wrote <replying for our absent member Klondike> Buried beneath your observations regarding Calalus are certain assumptions worthy of examination. Why do you believe ...

Randy and Roy: Before you go,I recommend you get a copy of "Vacationing in Bolivia-Places to see and things to do" by Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid.It's got a great fold-out map that shows all the banks and payroll offices.I also recommend that you leave your "Che Guevara" ...

B posted < responding for our missing amigo Klondyke > Hello Orblanco, Your points are well taken. Obviously the debate looks a lot different from this side of the looking glass. Having walked the underground chambers of Calalus and cared for the real Tucson artifacts, observed the map room of the o...

Postscript, just wished to add one more bit. The skeptics pointed to the use of the A.D. on the one inscription as proof that it has to be modern since they said, ' the A.D. notation did not come into use until after 1000 AD .' This is patently incorrect; A. D. was in widespread use by the eighth ce...

A fascinating subject, fraught with academic perils! Could Romans have made it to Arizona in the seventh or eighth century AD? Yes. They might have even called themselves "Romans" though really we would call them Byzantines, as the Roman Empire fell in the fourth century to barbarian invad...

djui5 wrote:Who wants to go to Bolovia?

Put me on your list!

Hola amigos, In defense of the "dwarf deer" story, I propose that he saw Arizona Coues deer, and yes they are supposed to live in the Superstitions. I have never seen one there, in fact the only place I ever saw one was in Cochise county but they are definitely small deer. Here is a map sh...

An interesting story about Adolph Ruth is that he was in the Superstitions much earlier than 1931. Two people have seen a letter, I believe it involved Cal Morris, who was a friend of the Ruth's, that talked about a trip in 1928. At some time I believe Jesse Feldman made a comment about Ruth being ...

Klondyke wrote What the locals did not know is there were other things sent to the Smithsonian that lay untouched for years until a bright researcher asked about a button that was difficult to explain. The button is still there. A companion button is still in our favorite mine in Boulder Canyon. Are...

Thank you for the replies. I still wonder how it played out, exactly. Was Ruth shot in Boulder canyon, and by whom? We may never know all the answers.
Oroblanco