Lost Dutchman Goldmine

I would propose that all Forum members make a New Year's resolution to all get along on the Forum in 2003. It seems we have slipped into a somewhat confrontational environment where we are challenging each other personally and not sharing facts, concepts, clues, etc, on the LDM. This is what the For...

Sorry, made an error in my above posting as follows: If you tried to read the Horse side map with the top North and East to the left, you would go in the wrong direction. This should read as follows: If you tried to read the Horse side map with the top North and East to the RIGHT, you would go in th...

There are 4 stones in the Stone Map set as follows: 1. Stone #1: Stone with Horse of Santa Fe on one side and the Priest on the other. An irregular shaped stone. 2. Stone #2: Contains only the word "DON" on one side and the lower portion of the map on the other side. A rectangular stone. 3...

Peter wrote: "I'd be mighty wary of "clues" taken from Corbins latest work. The German clues you spoke of in particular". What are the issues/risks surrounding the German clues from Helen Corbin's latest book???? Is there a translation problem, did Helen leave out some that would...

Wiz: There are several variables in where to place an arrastra. Peter notes that the one up on Peters Mesa is in an excellent location where the ground is bare to bedrock and the drag could grind against it instead of having a rock lined floor in the arrastra that has a lot of cracks/crevices that m...

There were Peralta or Mexican/Spanish mines in several locations in the Supers and the Apaches covered roughly 8 of them according to stories they have shared with the white man. They covered several mines on Bluff Springs Mtn plus several more that were located to the north of Bluff Springs Mtn. Th...

Peter, you indicate that the arrastra that was up on Peters Mesa is not on the North end, but closer to the trail up out of Charlebois. Is this correct? Just how many arrastras have been found in the Supers??? I can list four that are fairly well known: 1. Morman Flats - now covered by the lake. 2. ...

Helen Corbin's book, The Bible on the LDM, William Edward's journal tells of his finding the Mexican skeletons plus some gold along a route he backtrailed from the Massacre Site to Marsh Valley. He then followed a trail from Marsh Valley up Squaw Canyon onto Peters Mesa (Northern end) where he found...

Here is a web site that provides a good overview of all the measurement systems that have been used over the past few centuries. http://www.ukmetrication.com/history2.htm Note that the "Roman 1000 paces" means paces (right foot step plus left foot step = roughly 5 feet) and not steps. Yes ...

Peter: You posted under the Forum Topic "LDM Mine Descriptions-Your Favorite Clue" that one should be cautious of the the German LDM clues in Helen Corbin's latest book, The Bible the LD Gold Mine. Could you provide some specifics on that caution? Are the clues provided the worst of the bu...

I never placed much trust in the clue of the 4 Peaks looking like one as a valid one or one that would narrow down a specific area. For a general location set of clues, the ones that Helen Corbin documented in her new book, The Bible on the Lost Dutchman Gold Mine, are most likely authentic. On page...

Jim Bark wrote that Joe Deering told John Chewning that when he was coming back from the mine he found to his camp in a big canyon, he had built 4 monuments where he came down off "the big mountain". These monuments consisted of long slim stones stood on end with 4 or 5 stones around their...

The location of Magill's mine on Bluff Spring Mtn is clearly marked on Tom Kollenborn's map in the Special Section of Helen Corbin's "The Çurse of the Dutchman's Gold" book starting on page 121. The site is clearly on the NE side of the mountain and is marked as "Glen Magill Area 1966...

Reply to Wiz's Question: Yes, I was referencing the mine Chuck locates in his book, "Treasure Secrets of the Lost Dutchman", which shows the mine location on page 55 with the "X" marker above the mine. The Infrared photo on page 54 does appear to show an old trail up the side of ...

S.C.'s perspective of Chuck K. is probably the most prevailing view held by LDM hunters due to their contact or 2nd hand information on him tied to this mine. I would caution to not throw everything he has documented out based on some of his "revelations" to a memory drawn map and seeing &...

Several of the Forum posters give reference to the Stone Maps as being one of the "authenic" clues to the LDM. I spent some time on them in 1995 with literature search and correlation to topo maps. I then had the opportunity to spend 1/2 day with Chuck Kenworthy in Apache Junction and have...

Here is my 2nd favorite clue to the LDM that continues a set of clues on the description of the canyon that the mine is located in: Bark Notes Page 36 (Thomas Probert published version): Dr. Thorne said as the Indians unblindfolded his eyes at the mine - "I was standing on the edge of a deep an...

In the research I have done on the LDM, I have reached the conclusion that the Dick Holmes version of Jacob's deathbed mutterings is pure fiction. I would not think that Jacob would confide in a person that had followed him into the mountains and would probably have killed him if he had been success...

For those that have done a considerable amount of research on the Lost Dutchman Mine of Jacob Waltz, you have undoubtedly collected what you consider the most legitimate descriptions of what the immediate mine area of the LDM looks like from the mass of information and "clues" that are out...

Bear with me as I restate something I posted earlier on this subject of where the Peralta battle started and where it ended. The Wm Edwards diary was handed down throught several geneerations and Helen Corbin came into possession of it and it is probably rather new published info in the Dutch circle...

Helen Corbin in her new book, The Bible on the LDM and Jacob Waltz, prints the Williams Edwards Diary which in brief tells the folling story: Edwards backtracks the Mexican-Apache battle from the Massacre Grounds to their camp at Marsh Valley. He then follows one of their trails from there down cany...

Ron Feldman in Zig Zag Canyon says that Haywood and 14 other Apache Indians in 1942 took out "hundreds of pounds of the richest gold ore you ever saw". The gold was to be used to send young Apaches to university. A few points around this possibility: 1. Kochera found the gold loaded saddle...

It appears that you are intimating one of two things: 1. The Kochera gold was taken from someone at a different location than the Supers and then depositied there in the saddle bags for reasons unkown. 2. Kochera did not find the gold in the Supers, but somewhere else. The latter would not appear to...

I agree with you 100% that Kochera's gold was not found "on" the Charlebois Trail but some distance from it. From research, I know the exact location it was found. Ron Feldman documented some details of John Kochera finding his gold in the SMHS 1995 Volume 13 Journal and in his book, Zig Z...

If Kochera's gold was from the 1870-1890 period and in cavalary saddle bags, what would be the possiblitities of its's origin? Here are a few of the individuals that are "known" to have found the mine that might match from Dutchman history: 1. Jacob Weiser: Weisner and Waltz were at the LD...