Lost Dutchman Goldmine

This evening I just had a telephone call from Gene Reynolds. He is in the hospital apparently from a stroke. Although I have now known Gene for some time I have never had the opportunity to lay eyes on him – me in Oregon and often Arizona and Gene in Georgia. We had wanted to get together once to hu...

Among the remaining unanswered questions about Waltz, the mine, the people, the history, etc. which do you think are the most interesting or significant?

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I have heard it said that friends are the family God gives you to make up for the one you are born with. I cannot say that that I agree 100% with that, although I do not disagree either. Friends, real friends are very special, not something to be taken for granted. For me these last few weeks have b...

LDM, I am sorry to see you depart. Over the past many weeks I have only checked the Forum periodically. The disrespect and petty bickering had finally shut me down. However, it seemed that things were changing, but it was only an illusion. I had thought of rejoining the Forum when it looked to be tu...

Wiz, First, there is the question of credits. In the first printing due to a mix up Jack San Felice did not receive the proper photo credits. The photograph of Weaver’s Needle on the cover and the photographs of the Stone Maps (pgs 240 to 243) are Jack’s. I had originally understood the Stone Map ph...

Wiz,

I am jammed for time right now. But, tomorrow or Friday at the latest things will let up and I'll respond.

Thomas

Some of us no longer or rarely post. I should not think there is any mystery in it. But, should anyone wonder why? I refer you to the above postings. This thread is a good example of what happens on the Forum.

After a day (which is after a day after a day after weeks …) of cleaning out my parent’s home of over 50 years of accumulated items, treasures, memories, debris, dirt and whatever the following provides a bit of off task relaxation. What I say on this topic is all I can/will/should contribute, but i...

When leaving the house I grabbed some reading material. It was not what I thought it was, it was a copy of the Bark Notes, the version done by Thomas Probert. I noticed on page 6 the following footnote added by Probert: “The name Jacob Weiser was an alias used by Waltz to enter the U.S. at Baltimore...

Joe, Thanks. It reminds me of a line from an old Harry Belefonte record, “Its clear as mud, but it covers the ground.” This is not a reference to your post and/or efforts; but there in lies some of my lack of understanding – the Tontos were Apache, but the Tontos did not have a common, language – th...

Does anyone know the origin of what the white man called the Tonto Apaches, or the origin of their name? I have been told something like they came out of Mexico, but not as a tribe or Apache group, but rather as a conglomeration of several groups that had been held as slaves (?). Thus, their origins...

Wiz and Joe, Thank you, I understand your point. However, the idea that Waltz was born in 1810 not 1811 or 1809 or 1808 derives not from one document, such as the 1870 census, but from several. In the special census of 1864 Waltz listed his age as 54, and there are the Great Registers which (where a...

Wiz,

Sorry, I don’t quite get it.

When you say: "... there's only one day between being 28 and 29." How do you mean that as it applies to the discussion?

Respectfully,

Thomas

We may or we may not someday know Waltz’s port of immigration and the details. Corbin has provided one possibility, but it seems possibly to be in error. If it is incorrect, the source of the error, its possible purpose (if any) and whether or not it was intentional are interesting questions. All pu...

Another “interesting” aspect to the Starar story concerns the transfer of Andrew Starar’s land to Jacob Starar after Andrew’s death. I have not been able to find any documentation passing title of the land to Jacob. The track books for that part of Section 16 that was Waltz’s land show Waltz the own...

Joe, I am not sure that the issue is an intermittent stream going dry. I dare say that most of us have seen something similar, if not as dramatic as you describe. I doubt that Waltz, who had spent some years in the desert, would mistake such a stream for a permanent source of water. There were (and ...

A question, since one of the few things about Waltz and his trips to the mountains that seems to be documented is that he left in the late fall and returned in the spring, how do we know Waltz was referring to a permanent water source? If he was in the hills during the wet season how would he know i...

Bits and Pieces. Pictures of the ad for the Artic Soda Fountain, the inside of the Thomas Ice Cream Parlor and of the Stieneggers will be found on pages 170, 171 and 174 respectively in book The Lost Dutchman Mine of Jacob Waltz, Part 1. The ads for the soda fountain appeared frequently. The type of...

Tulare,

Check your private messages.

Thomas

Tulare, I cannot provide the details of the mineral content at present as I am in Southern California and I do not have access to my data. However, when I return (after April 1st) I will share many of the details if you wish. I will not share all of them for two reasons: i) all Dutch Hunters have ce...

This was and is a great thread on the history of cattlemen and cattle operations in the Superstition-Tonto country. I am interested in Charlebois and John LaBarge. The little I have on them is that they were either early cattlemen or cowboys. If cowboys for whom did they work? La Barge is supposed t...

Zentull, Thanks for having an interesting take on the question, honest and original. Does this mean that you believe that Rhinehart knew the “facts” (whatever they were) and that the drawings he had were sequential? I am not so sure that either is true, but it is just my opinion. Most respectfully, ...

Knun and Joe, I may well be a year early in my date. It could be 1865/’66, and not 1864/’65. I do not have access to my materials here at my father’s house. I will check that when I have the opportunity, as for being there in late October of 1864, well that would depend on whether or not the massacr...

I believe the Arizona Volunteers (Edwards and Green) who found the site of the massacre came through in Dec./Jan. of 1864/’65. There was enough sign to indicate a battle with heavy casualties, that the victims were Mexicans and they were miners. The spring/summer/fall of 1865 the trail was fresh or ...