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by count
Mon May 20, 2002 4:26 pm
Forum: Old Forum Archive
Topic: Cravey
Replies: 4
Views: 8716

I do not beleive I can add anything new to the Cravey story. I am sure you have seen the same accounts that I have. He camped somewhere in Labarge, disappeared and his headless body showed up some months later just off the side of a trail under peculiar cir[beep]stances. <br> <br>Something interesti...
by count
Mon May 20, 2002 4:26 pm
Forum: Old Forum Archive
Topic: Cravey
Replies: 4
Views: 8716

Cravey

Ruth has been discussed into the ground (no pun intended) for 70 years. What about Cravey? I've seen very little about him except the same sketchy info over and over. Pretty gruesome stuff, and pretty obviously foul play. Anyone with any anecdotes or accounts?
by count
Mon May 20, 2002 4:25 pm
Forum: Old Forum Archive
Topic: e-mail adress
Replies: 1
Views: 6488

Hi Ron, <br> <br>I understand completely about the email exchange. In any event, best wishes on your excavation out east. I for one should be interested in hearing about what you find. <br> <br>P
by count
Mon May 20, 2002 4:25 pm
Forum: Old Forum Archive
Topic: e-mail adress
Replies: 1
Views: 6488

e-mail adress

Peter, <br> <br> I think we can discuss the info you would like to discuss on this forum. I just don't want to do it through e-mail. The only oxbow mountain that I have ever heard of is Coffee flat was called Oxbow in the early days. I have a feeling the one your refering to is Geronimo Head and Mal...
by count
Mon May 20, 2002 4:24 pm
Forum: Old Forum Archive
Topic: oxbow
Replies: 1
Views: 6405

One of the clues that has always interested me is the one pertaining to the "Swampers Oxbow" as told by one Earnest Pankin to Jim Bark and Sims Ely. <br>Without boring you all to death with a retelling of the tale I will just go over the highlights. <br> <br>Pankin befriended a man in Alas...
by count
Mon May 20, 2002 4:23 pm
Forum: Old Forum Archive
Topic: oxbow
Replies: 1
Views: 6405

oxbow

the referal to a location or mtn that resembled an oxbow could have some importance in possibly the location of the dutchman or another mine does anyone have any feed on this?
by count
Mon May 20, 2002 4:22 pm
Forum: Old Forum Archive
Topic: supposed killer of adolph ruth
Replies: 13
Views: 15512

I've read them all too (except one I can't find), 95% are sheer entertainment. But that's my kind of entertainment! <br>I know exactly the area you're talking about. I've been there several times, never had a hint of trouble, but I'm VERY careful and mindful of what I do there. Never seen anyone els...
by count
Mon May 20, 2002 4:22 pm
Forum: Old Forum Archive
Topic: supposed killer of adolph ruth
Replies: 13
Views: 15512

Hi, <br> <br>Like Jim said, Walt wanted to beleive. <br>BUT I am not dismissing Walts story about Tex out of hand. Quien sabe? <br> <br>I agree with you about folks giving up their "secrets". I will be happy to share what I can, but certain things I dont talk about. And the main reason is ...
by count
Mon May 20, 2002 4:21 pm
Forum: Old Forum Archive
Topic: supposed killer of adolph ruth
Replies: 13
Views: 15512

Hi Jim, <br> <br>Thats an interesting theory and one that is new to me. I do have a comment <br> though. Ruth did indeed <br>write a letter to his family in long hand from his camp in West Boulder canyon. This letter was found and given to Erwin Ruth, Adolphs son. I assume Erwin knew his fathers han...
by count
Mon May 20, 2002 4:21 pm
Forum: Old Forum Archive
Topic: supposed killer of adolph ruth
Replies: 13
Views: 15512

Yeah, but what motive would Gassler have for making up the Tex story? That doesn't make sense, it's not the sort of story you would make up about someone you thought highly of. <br>As for figuring things out on this site, I'd be very surprised if anyone came out and gave up their hard-won secret inf...
by count
Mon May 20, 2002 4:21 pm
Forum: Old Forum Archive
Topic: supposed killer of adolph ruth
Replies: 13
Views: 15512

The discussion of Ruth is one of the great mysteries of the Dutchman story. It in it self is probaly responsible formaking the legend more renowned. As I said earlier, Tex Barkley ,I feel had nothing to do with his death. He also never packed the body anywhere. Researching further Ruth's body was se...
by count
Mon May 20, 2002 4:20 pm
Forum: Old Forum Archive
Topic: supposed killer of adolph ruth
Replies: 13
Views: 15512

What Walt Gassler said about Barkley finding Ruths body was that Barkley and a hired hand (Huse Ward?)went up to Ruths camp about a week after Ruth was packed into the mountains. Finding it empty they began a search in the immediate vicinity. Again no luck. <br> <br>Tex then got "serious about ...
by count
Mon May 20, 2002 4:20 pm
Forum: Old Forum Archive
Topic: supposed killer of adolph ruth
Replies: 13
Views: 15512

if gasslers story was true about barkeley transporting ruths body to where it was eventually found. wouldnt that suggest that barkeley was the if not the actual murderer at least involved in the conspiracy(if there was one)it would be fortunate indeed if he just came upon ruths body by chance wouldn...
by count
Mon May 20, 2002 4:19 pm
Forum: Old Forum Archive
Topic: supposed killer of adolph ruth
Replies: 13
Views: 15512

There are many aspects of Ruths murder that simply do not add up. For example...why was he killed? From what I can tell some one showing up at the QCU with a treasure map was not a terribly uncommon thing in those days. <br>Why murder someone for a map(s) that may or may not have been accurate? <br>...
by count
Mon May 20, 2002 4:18 pm
Forum: Old Forum Archive
Topic: supposed killer of adolph ruth
Replies: 13
Views: 15512

Keenan and Purnell's alibi of joyriding in Ruth's car always was pretty thin. It would not have taken long to shoot Ruth, and I have never seen anywhere how long it actually was until they returned from packing Ruth in. Walt Gassler pretty much said that Barkely told him that he had found Ruth's bod...
by count
Mon May 20, 2002 4:18 pm
Forum: Old Forum Archive
Topic: supposed killer of adolph ruth
Replies: 13
Views: 15512

thanks for all your replies.id just like to make a point about the suspects and the fact that some of said suspects were out of the area at the time. as far as im aware nobody can ascertain the date ruth was killed-only the dates when he went into mountains and when body was found which obviously is...
by count
Mon May 20, 2002 4:16 pm
Forum: Old Forum Archive
Topic: A Two Room House in a Cave
Replies: 0
Views: 6157

A Two Room House in a Cave

The subject of rock houses and caves is a very interesting (though confusing)one. <br> <br>Several clues about the location of the mine center around a "two room rock house in a cave", a "rock house" a "caverna con casa" an additional "cave" up the ridge from ...
by count
Mon May 20, 2002 4:15 pm
Forum: Old Forum Archive
Topic: red hills.
Replies: 1
Views: 6222

I beleive Waltz entered the mountains from different directions to throw off what he perceived to be the ever present <br>treasure seekers that supposedly dogged his steps. I think that a case can be made for him entering the mountains <br>at Miners Needle Pass, Tortilla Creek and the Government Wel...
by count
Mon May 20, 2002 4:15 pm
Forum: Old Forum Archive
Topic: supposed killer of adolph ruth
Replies: 13
Views: 15512

The "planning" of the Ruth murder may well have taken place at the Quarter Circle -U. Whether or not Abe Reid was shouting "I'll cut off his head!!" I do not know but I tend to doubt it. <br> <br>At the time of Ruths death there were many suspects. Tex Barkley was one of them.(th...
by count
Mon May 20, 2002 4:14 pm
Forum: Old Forum Archive
Topic: red hills.
Replies: 1
Views: 6222

red hills.

Great site. Nice info. Of course the three red hills are part of the story, but there are so many as Peter said, that which clues are true? If we only knew which way the Dutchman came into the mountains, would be valuable. I personally believe he entered from the south. The red hills north of Bluff ...
by count
Mon May 20, 2002 4:14 pm
Forum: Old Forum Archive
Topic: supposed killer of adolph ruth
Replies: 13
Views: 15512

On the murder of Adolph Ruth, Tex Barkley, was not involved with the murder. Peter is right about that. His murder was however planned at Barkleys ranch. Doug if you want to read about the murder, there is a new book which deals with the murder , called Crooked Mountain. It seems to be written as a ...
by count
Mon May 20, 2002 4:13 pm
Forum: Old Forum Archive
Topic: supposed killer of adolph ruth
Replies: 13
Views: 15512

Hello Doug, <br> <br>Barry Storm said the killer was "Mr X", the person (supposedly a rancher) who <br>killed Ruth and stalked Storm, taking several potshots at him on at least one occasion. <br> <br>As to who this "rancher" was, I do not know but I do know that there was no love...
by count
Mon May 20, 2002 4:13 pm
Forum: Old Forum Archive
Topic: supposed killer of adolph ruth
Replies: 13
Views: 15512

supposed killer of adolph ruth

hi all. just a question. im well aware that barry storms works are considered unreliable but none the less for that in *thunder gods gold*(an early edition) he accused a local small footed rancher of being the likely killer of ruth.according to the book a furore erupted in apache junction because of...
by count
Mon May 20, 2002 4:12 pm
Forum: Old Forum Archive
Topic: Drei rot Hugels
Replies: 0
Views: 5780

Drei rot Hugels

Hello folks, <br> <br>Just trying to stir the pot a bit here and see if we cant get a give/take discussion going. <br> <br>Pardon my German. "Drei rot Hugels" loosley translated means "three red hills". Waltz supposedly said "if you pass the three red hills you have gone too...
by count
Mon May 20, 2002 4:12 pm
Forum: Old Forum Archive
Topic: What mountain ?
Replies: 1
Views: 5962

Hi Ron, <br> <br>If you could reply to the below email <br>I'd be happy to share some info. I am uncomfortable talking about it on a public forum. <br> <br>Thanks <br> <br>Peter <br>[email protected]