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by count
Tue Jun 04, 2002 7:41 am
Forum: Old Forum Archive
Topic: Oral vs Written History
Replies: 3
Views: 7084

I agree with you to an extent. However, <br>some cultures simply didnt write ANYTHING down (Amerindians for example) <br>and whatever tales we have from them pertaining to the Superstitions, whether they be related to caches, lost mines or battles, are today all second- (in some case third or fouth)...
by count
Tue Jun 04, 2002 7:41 am
Forum: Old Forum Archive
Topic: Oral vs Written History
Replies: 3
Views: 7084

It is even more important when word of mouth is recorded on paper, and then it is still a job to know what really happened, and in there lays our job , to decipher truth vs. legend. A journalist once said," when legend becomes more interesting than truth , print the legend." Peter, the statment is c...
by count
Tue Jun 04, 2002 7:40 am
Forum: Old Forum Archive
Topic: Oral vs Written History
Replies: 3
Views: 7084

Oral vs Written History

Oops. <br> <br>I am in the middle of doing some source reading on the Apache. I came across the following in I FOUGHT WITH GERONIMO by Jason Betzinez. Betzinez was a youth when his tribal band at San Carlos "volunteered" (actually were forced at gunpoint) to leave San Carlos with renegades under Ger...
by count
Tue Jun 04, 2002 7:39 am
Forum: Old Forum Archive
Topic: LDM Maps in General
Replies: 15
Views: 16966

Try the original Stirrat map. It is labeled correctly there.
by count
Tue Jun 04, 2002 7:38 am
Forum: Old Forum Archive
Topic: LDM Maps in General
Replies: 15
Views: 16966

The only place I've ever seen Pistol labeled on a map is in the "Hiker's Guide".
by count
Tue Jun 04, 2002 7:38 am
Forum: Old Forum Archive
Topic: LDM Maps in General
Replies: 15
Views: 16966

Are you guys finding a "Pistol Canyon" shown on any official map. I swear I've seen it somewhere before too, but cannot presently find it shown on either the USGS topo or Beartooth maps.
by count
Tue Jun 04, 2002 7:37 am
Forum: Old Forum Archive
Topic: LDM Maps in General
Replies: 15
Views: 16966

That is correct.
Which is why I dubbed the Gassler Map confused.
by count
Tue Jun 04, 2002 7:37 am
Forum: Old Forum Archive
Topic: LDM Maps in General
Replies: 15
Views: 16966

Gassler may have known just where Pistol Canyon was, but his maps show three different canyons labeled Pistol in his own hand. One on the Peter's side of the north end of Geronimo Head, one where most put it (not far from Squaw) and one on the Peter's side of Peter's Mesa close to where the modern t...
by count
Tue Jun 04, 2002 7:35 am
Forum: Old Forum Archive
Topic: Stone Maps
Replies: 34
Views: 33367

Has anyone tried to decipher the Horse and Priest Maps? Any findings to share obscurity is expected and acceptable. You can speak in general terms, together we might make some headway!! <br> <br>azmula
by count
Tue Jun 04, 2002 7:35 am
Forum: Old Forum Archive
Topic: Stone Maps
Replies: 34
Views: 33367

Ron, <br>I have heard about the Needle looking like a heart from a distance. But when I found 3 different sources defining the "heart" symbol to mean property or treasure of the King of Spain, I felt that made more sense. Don't use the 20th century translation of the stones because it will suggest t...
by count
Tue Jun 04, 2002 7:34 am
Forum: Old Forum Archive
Topic: Stone Maps
Replies: 34
Views: 33367

That was me that made the comment about the weathered stones - don't blame azmula for that one! Of course, you're 100% correct about simply repeating what we've read. Guilty as charged.
by count
Tue Jun 04, 2002 7:18 am
Forum: Old Forum Archive
Topic: Tex Barkley
Replies: 4
Views: 8140

Hiker, <br> <br> When Bill Barkley was close to the end , Jake went and moved him to his trailer, naturally to get any information that he could. Jake had a habit of retrieving the old timers at their end . Another one was Chuck Aylor. I was not there when Bill died , but as I remember , he died sit...
by count
Tue Jun 04, 2002 7:18 am
Forum: Old Forum Archive
Topic: Tex Barkley
Replies: 4
Views: 8140

Hiker, <br> <br>I know Gassler mentioned an incident in his notes about slipping on some shale on Bluff Springs Mtn. Other than this, I havent come across much information about his search- if any- up on old flat top. <br> <br> <br>P
by count
Tue Jun 04, 2002 7:17 am
Forum: Old Forum Archive
Topic: Tex Barkley
Replies: 4
Views: 8140

Peter, <br>My understanding is that Gassler spent considerable time on Bluff Springs Mountain, as well. I'm not so sure he was focused on Peters Mesa until after he had connected with Barkley. <br> <br>Ron, <br>Very thought-provoking posting. I never knew about Bill Barkley living with Crazy Jake. H...
by count
Tue Jun 04, 2002 7:16 am
Forum: Old Forum Archive
Topic: Tex Barkley
Replies: 4
Views: 8140

I think you hit the nail on the head as far as Tex Barkley's demeanor after the Ruth episode. I have heard him variously described as "frightened", "melancholy", and "haunted". <br> <br>While I am still not on the same page with you as far as the whole "rancher conspiracy" goes, you do bring an inte...
by count
Tue Jun 04, 2002 7:16 am
Forum: Old Forum Archive
Topic: Tex Barkley
Replies: 4
Views: 8140

Tex Barkley

Much has been said about the relation of Tex and Gassler on this site, I think to the point of giving alot of credence to what Gassler may of known or found. Maybe we should look into Tex abit better. I did not of course know Tex, but I did know Bill Barkley. I conversed with him quite alot, while h...
by count
Tue Jun 04, 2002 7:15 am
Forum: Old Forum Archive
Topic: LDM Maps in General
Replies: 15
Views: 16966

Squaw Canyon and Pistol Canyon begin at the same point. Only a saddle and small ridge seperate the heads of these two canyons. I was told once by an old timer that a spring ran out of the northwest side of the Peters Dome and watered a large area at the heads of these two canyons. The area was cover...
by count
Tue Jun 04, 2002 7:14 am
Forum: Old Forum Archive
Topic: LDM Maps in General
Replies: 15
Views: 16966

The grove of trees questions flits thru LDM lore like a ghostly shadow. It has been variously reported as a "laurel grove", a "laurel thicket", an "ironwood grove",a one armed palo-verde tree (yeah right), a group of trees that reside on a hilltop, ridge, mesa, or "high up on a mountainside". <br> <...
by count
Tue Jun 04, 2002 7:14 am
Forum: Old Forum Archive
Topic: LDM Maps in General
Replies: 15
Views: 16966

Thanks for all the details. This is one reason why I love this site - unlike reading a book, you can ask the question "could you be more specific?" <br> <br>I've often wondered whether any of the more recent hunters have confirmed the items that Gassler and others have said they found in this area. ...
by count
Tue Jun 04, 2002 7:14 am
Forum: Old Forum Archive
Topic: LDM Maps in General
Replies: 15
Views: 16966

Walt absolutely "knew" where Pistol Canyon was. Some folks who are not familiar with Peters Canyon might think those washes west of Peters Canyon can be labeled "canyons" themselves, but that simply isn't so. <br> <br>As to the whole "Horse Mesa" episode, I think there are several areas that are eve...
by count
Tue Jun 04, 2002 7:13 am
Forum: Old Forum Archive
Topic: LDM Maps in General
Replies: 15
Views: 16966

How do you know that Gassler wasn't correct in labeling what he called Pistol Canyon? In other words, what he refers to as Pistol Canyon in his manuscript doesn't correspond to what everyone else calls Pistol Canyon. <br> <br>Seems like there was another example of this sort of thing in Gassler's ma...
by count
Tue Jun 04, 2002 7:13 am
Forum: Old Forum Archive
Topic: LDM Maps in General
Replies: 15
Views: 16966

In case someone missed something... Gassler's Wash is also sometimes called Old Squaw Canyon or Squaw Box. And, of course, Lost Ridge is "Peters Dome." The circle marked "MINE" on the map must have the diameter of several city blocks. So, it is not really very revealing. <br> <br>Despite that, the m...
by count
Tue Jun 04, 2002 7:13 am
Forum: Old Forum Archive
Topic: LDM Maps in General
Replies: 15
Views: 16966

The following is the Gassler/Peck map in a nutshell. I will teach you all how to make your own. <br> <br>1) Get yourself a topo map of the Peters Canyon/Peters Mesa area. <br> <br>2) Pick one of those washes NORTH of Pistol Canyon that branch off of Peters Canyon to the west (anyone will do) and out...
by count
Tue Jun 04, 2002 7:12 am
Forum: Old Forum Archive
Topic: LDM Maps in General
Replies: 15
Views: 16966

Peter ought to explain the Gassler/Peck map. I know what he means about it being "confused"... <br> <br>Regarding the Perfil Mapa: there have been many that have said it pertains to other areas besides the Superstitions. One is John Victor Ramses who believes the map to indicate the area around Red ...
by count
Tue Jun 04, 2002 7:12 am
Forum: Old Forum Archive
Topic: LDM Maps in General
Replies: 15
Views: 16966

I posted! I didn't realize you could. <br>I'd like to know about the Gassler/Peck map too.