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by Potbelly Jim
Mon May 07, 2018 12:35 pm
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: The Legend of the Superstition Mountains
Replies: 129
Views: 81539

Re: The Legend of the Superstition Mountains

Don, I think you mistook Jack's comments...He can speak for himself, but I read it to be a little good-natured sarcasm to respond to your statement: Don wrote: Though saying that barkley was described to me as having a psychophatic personality by a journalist on a pheonix publication a good few year...
by Potbelly Jim
Sun May 06, 2018 3:43 pm
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: The Legend of the Superstition Mountains
Replies: 129
Views: 81539

Re: The Legend of the Superstition Mountains

Hi Don, Jack, Thanks for the link Jack, I and probably many others here will check it out. I like the work you’ve made available here so far! Regarding the Ruth story, we can’t solve it because the story as we know it can’t be true. First, I don’t care how tough he is, Adolph Ruth doesn’t make it ou...
by Potbelly Jim
Wed May 02, 2018 12:09 pm
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: The Legend of the Superstition Mountains
Replies: 129
Views: 81539

Re: The Legend of the Superstition Mountains

Howdy Thomas, Hope all is well out there! Also, I hope you didn’t take my comment to Joe, (that people seem to have resented Hrdlicka held such a prestigious post) to mean you, or Don, or anyone else…I was referring to Joe’s observations about people during Hrdlicka’s time. The weather data from the...
by Potbelly Jim
Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:53 pm
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: The Legend of the Superstition Mountains
Replies: 129
Views: 81539

Re: The Legend of the Superstition Mountains

One other thing...it looks to me like someone typed up first drafts of Hrdlicka's letters and responses...after which, it also appears to me that he proofread them and made changes to them. The changes show that whoever made the changes, I'm assuming it was Hrdlicka, had training in proofreading and...
by Potbelly Jim
Sat Apr 14, 2018 8:31 pm
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: The Legend of the Superstition Mountains
Replies: 129
Views: 81539

Re: The Legend of the Superstition Mountains

Also, forgot to add, I also used as references the Halseth/Hrclicka correspondence provided by Garry. Joe, I think they're originally from your research at the Smithsonian? At any rate I forgot to add that to above post, thanks to you guys for sharing that info as well as Dr. Glover and Tom Kollenbo...
by Potbelly Jim
Sat Apr 14, 2018 8:24 pm
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: The Legend of the Superstition Mountains
Replies: 129
Views: 81539

Re: The Legend of the Superstition Mountains

Joe, I got that feeling too, like some people actually resented Hrdlicka having such a prestigious post. Having some personal confusion over the events taking place around the discovery of Ruth’s remains, who the people and organizations were, who did what when, etc…I put together a short timeline u...
by Potbelly Jim
Mon Apr 09, 2018 8:01 pm
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: The Legend of the Superstition Mountains
Replies: 129
Views: 81539

Re: The Legend of the Superstition Mountains

From the Hrdlicka documents provided by Joe and Garry, and reading some of Hrdlicka’s work, it appears to me: 1. Odd Halseth mailed Ruth’s skull to Neil Judd in Wash DC, with instructions to contact both the Ruth family and Dr. Hrdlicka, for identification. Halseth and the doctors in Phoenix were un...
by Potbelly Jim
Thu Mar 29, 2018 12:24 pm
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: The Legend of the Superstition Mountains
Replies: 129
Views: 81539

Re: The Legend of the Superstition Mountains

Garry, Hrdlicka never served in a military capacity, but at this early stage I can see a few smoking guns in how he may have seen skulls from battlefields: 1. He was instrumental in taking charge of medical specimens (skeletal) from the Army Medical Museum and transferring them to the National Museu...
by Potbelly Jim
Thu Mar 29, 2018 12:14 pm
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: The Legend of the Superstition Mountains
Replies: 129
Views: 81539

Re: The Legend of the Superstition Mountains

Seconding Joe, I believe there may be reason for caution in throwing out Hrdlicka's conclusions just yet. While there is always some room for questioning the qualifications of any individual, but so far everything I've read in the forensics realm gives great credit to Hrdlicka for his early efforts ...
by Potbelly Jim
Tue Mar 27, 2018 6:47 pm
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: The Legend of the Superstition Mountains
Replies: 129
Views: 81539

Re: The Legend of the Superstition Mountains

Just re-reading this and had a few observations...Don, I agree that the entire LDM legend as we know it is pretty jumbled up now, perhaps impossibly so. There may have been some "tongue in cheek" use of the LDM and Ruth legends by people in Apache Junction to "drum up business" so to speak, but I fo...
by Potbelly Jim
Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:09 pm
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: The Legend of the Superstition Mountains
Replies: 129
Views: 81539

Re: The Legend of the Superstition Mountains

Don wrote: thanks jim....heres a question...any idea from who or where the story came from that Ruth's skull was POSITIVELY identifid by Ruth's Dentist? If it came from Ely then that practically renders the rest of his(Ely's) story worthless Hi Don, Not necessarily…if I had to make a guess, I think ...
by Potbelly Jim
Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:14 am
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: The Legend of the Superstition Mountains
Replies: 129
Views: 81539

Re: The Legend of the Superstition Mountains

Hi Don, All good points, as usual. It was a strange event, no disagreement there. A couple of points: Maricopa and Pinal counties were relative backwaters in 1931. Keep in mind that the City of Phoenix was not involved as it was out of their jurisdiction. So we had county Sheriffs and county coroner...
by Potbelly Jim
Mon Mar 19, 2018 5:13 pm
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: The Legend of the Superstition Mountains
Replies: 129
Views: 81539

Re: The Legend of the Superstition Mountains

Ales Hrdlicka was considered one of the foremost experts on the human skeleton in the US, if not the world. He graduated from two medical colleges, then studied for 4 months in Paris under one of the era’s leading forensic scientists (Brouardel). Brouardel is considered one of the fathers of medical...
by Potbelly Jim
Thu Mar 08, 2018 1:32 pm
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: The Legend of the Superstition Mountains
Replies: 129
Views: 81539

Re: The Legend of the Superstition Mountains

Hi Garry, thanks for digging that PDF up, I will PM you with my e-mail address. I believe (since you were at the Ranger museum) that you saw a Walker Colt, (vice Wilson?). The Rangers were reportedly the first to use the Patterson Colt in combat, and their leader (Walker) put his head together with ...
by Potbelly Jim
Wed Mar 07, 2018 2:54 pm
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: The Legend of the Superstition Mountains
Replies: 129
Views: 81539

Re: The Legend of the Superstition Mountains

Hi Garry, All good points. I believe it’s impossible to say, with the information we have, what caused those holes in Ruth’s skull. I’ve amassed quite the collection of papers from the internet dealing with non-shotgun gunshot wounds to the head. Without exception, they all agree with what Thomas ha...
by Potbelly Jim
Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:12 am
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: The Legend of the Superstition Mountains
Replies: 129
Views: 81539

Re: The Legend of the Superstition Mountains

Mea culpa...not that anyone probably gives a hoot, but the formula I gave above WILL NOT calculate bullet energy in foot lbs 8O ...it's simply the kinetic energy formula in Joules...I also messed up the order of operations while trying to get it all on one line. It should be read "one half the mass ...
by Potbelly Jim
Tue Mar 06, 2018 4:24 pm
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: The Legend of the Superstition Mountains
Replies: 129
Views: 81539

Re: The Legend of the Superstition Mountains

Hey Joe, one other thing: I would be very interested in seeing any of Dr. Hrdlicka’s notes on the subject. I’m one of those weirdo’s that walks around with a bunch of formulae floating around in my head, so I’d like to see what he came up with. While modern ammunition tends to make the types of hole...
by Potbelly Jim
Tue Mar 06, 2018 12:15 pm
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: The Legend of the Superstition Mountains
Replies: 129
Views: 81539

Re: The Legend of the Superstition Mountains

Hi Garry, As far as provenance to the stories, I don’t really believe any of them. Provenance is a real problem. Just looking at, say, the “Gassler” manuscript could be an exercise in futility. It may as well have been created out of thin air. I don’t know, that’s for sure. If T.K. or B.C. showed up...
by Potbelly Jim
Mon Mar 05, 2018 8:23 pm
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: The Legend of the Superstition Mountains
Replies: 129
Views: 81539

Re: The Legend of the Superstition Mountains

Wow!!! 8O Thanks, Garry! I don’t have any of the news articles so these lists are a big help for me to try to understand what was happening on Ruth’s “last trip”. Much food for thought! Best regards, Jim
by Potbelly Jim
Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:14 pm
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: The Legend of the Superstition Mountains
Replies: 129
Views: 81539

Re: The Legend of the Superstition Mountains

Hi Joe and Thomas, From memory (and MUCH speculation) also… Thanks Joe, I’ll get Sims Ely out tonight and check it out! I’ve never seen a list of items recovered with the remains either. I remember reading somewhere that his boots were found in his “camp”. I also don’t believe he was beheaded, as th...
by Potbelly Jim
Wed Feb 28, 2018 5:48 am
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: The Legend of the Superstition Mountains
Replies: 129
Views: 81539

Re: The Legend of the Superstition Mountains

Hi Joe, From what Garry said in his last post, I took that to mean he was done talking about the Jones letters until his site was back up and people could get a clearer picture of everything in context. Not sure. As far as the PD, here is what I’ve found out so far from a friend: 1. The files probab...
by Potbelly Jim
Fri Feb 16, 2018 12:15 pm
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: Taking a Stand
Replies: 31
Views: 21969

Re: Taking a Stand

Thomas, regarding your comment on the condition of school finances: I took a look at the current status of state school lands. It looks like about 85% of the original State Trust lands are still owned by the state (about 8.5 million acres). They say every acre of that land is under one or more lease...
by Potbelly Jim
Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:13 pm
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: Taking a Stand
Replies: 31
Views: 21969

Re: Taking a Stand

Well I just dug out a purchase agreement between the State and Frank Luke for 88 acres of T1N R3E section 16, it was dated 1917...so it would appear that Frank Luke Jr. probably didn't ever live on section 16. But like you guys have been saying, people were paying REAL money for that land, it was be...
by Potbelly Jim
Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:41 pm
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: Taking a Stand
Replies: 31
Views: 21969

Re: Taking a Stand

I’m probably going to confuse the issue even more. Sorry. I have some county land records that show there was a whole bunch of people living all over Section 16 from just before the time of statehood on…it must have been a terrible mess! Just as an aside, one of those people was Frank Luke…I wonder ...
by Potbelly Jim
Sat Feb 10, 2018 8:10 am
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: Taking a Stand
Replies: 31
Views: 21969

Re: Taking a Stand

Hi Garry, Guilty as charged. :oops: Re: Chuning/Bark thread, Paul directed me over to that discussion you guys had years ago... I would imagine a lot of you guys that have been doing this for awhile get a little tired of seeing the same stuff rehashed when all we have to do is LOOK...I thought I had...