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by cuzzinjack
Thu May 30, 2019 8:24 pm
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: Massacure
Replies: 61
Views: 8849

Re: Massacure

... Mercury” it was documented that a great amount of mercury can be found in the soil by the satellite First Water ranch. This, coupled with the cart ruts (Ox-Carts thread) leading there is undeniable evidence there was a large mining operation. But how could the Peraltas have pulled it off without ...
by cuzzinjack
Sun Jun 17, 2018 10:24 am
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: The Great Mine
Replies: 13
Views: 4173

The Great Mine

My greatest challenge during my search has been coming to grips with just how big the mining operations actually were. The cart ruts told of countless loads of ore going to First Water Canyon, but it didn’t completely “sink in”. Over the past month, I’ve been poring over Cerro Negra, trying ...
by cuzzinjack
Mon Jun 05, 2017 8:14 pm
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: The Peralta's, and Mercury
Replies: 4
Views: 3121

The Peralta's, and Mercury

... their ore in First Water Canyon was the Minas del Oro map and the thought that it wasn’t the Salt River area as it’s labeled. Subsequently, cart ruts were found leading into the awning area and a dam site surrounded by solid rock was located there also. It was then known that the windmill/awning ...
by cuzzinjack
Tue May 03, 2016 6:51 pm
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: Cerro Negra
Replies: 17
Views: 9908

Re: Cerro Negra

Hello Joe, My guess is that these ruts were made over a period of approximately 150 years. There were probably dozens of different people directly in charge of haulage operations during that time, and between them they had many different methods ...
by Joe Ribaudo
Wed Apr 20, 2016 11:58 am
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: Cerro Negra
Replies: 17
Views: 9908

Re: Cerro Negra

Jack, http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj268/cactus_jumper/ruts1_zpsxrqp16i9.jpg My problem with the ruts is not from any position of knowledge, but was based on the multiple directions and length of the ruts. That, despite your explanation above, just ...
by cuzzinjack
Sun Apr 17, 2016 5:14 pm
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: Cerro Negra
Replies: 17
Views: 9908

Re: Cerro Negra

Hello Joe, Your analysis is well taken, and am glad you took the time to research, but the comparison of Oregon Trail ruts to these is not a reasonable assumption. The wagons and carts on the Oregon trail were going one-way; they were never coming back. The wagon trails made by settlers ...
by Joe Ribaudo
Fri Apr 08, 2016 8:37 am
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: Cerro Negra
Replies: 17
Views: 9908

Re: Cerro Negra

Jack,

Those "ruts" look like natural formations to me. Here is where you will see what they should look like:

http://www.eg.bucknell.edu/~hyde/jackso ... nTrip.html

Good luck,

Joe
by cuzzinjack
Thu Apr 07, 2016 8:39 pm
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: Cerro Negra
Replies: 17
Views: 9908

Re: Cerro Negra

Hello Joe, I don’t know about the ruts you are referring to on the East Side, but below is a link to the ruts I’m talking about on the West Side and on the now-gated road to the First Water Ranch awning. This is not in the wilderness: http://mollymarieprospect.com/Peralta2posting/ruts1.JPG ...
by Joe Ribaudo
Thu Apr 07, 2016 9:38 am
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: Cerro Negra
Replies: 17
Views: 9908

Re: Cerro Negra

Jack,

As I recall, the ruts are in the eastern part of the range. The caves of gold bars are in the western end.

Take care,

Joe
by cuzzinjack
Mon Apr 04, 2016 9:07 pm
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: Cerro Negra
Replies: 17
Views: 9908

Re: Cerro Negra

Hello Joe, I'm glad you picked that story as it dovetails well with mine. My favorite is not a story, but is the cart ruts. They tell a story of their own; more than a century, or more likely, a century and-a-half of broken muck was hauled over the same spot. It is hard to believe ...
by cuzzinjack
Wed Dec 16, 2015 9:09 pm
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: Casa Caverna
Replies: 12
Views: 9987

Re: Casa Caverna

... there is not one bit of physical evidence that the Peralta family was near the Superstitions…………until now. The photos I’ve posted here of the cart ruts are hard evidence that the Peraltas were here, in large numbers. As can be seen in the photos, the rock is so hard that the 4wd traffic crossing ...
by cuzzinjack
Thu Nov 05, 2015 8:00 pm
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: Blood in the Water
Replies: 2
Views: 3453

Re: Blood in the Water

... show how the road had to zig-zag to negotiate the too-steep portion of the hill down to First Water Ranch. With the Minas Del Oro map, logic, cart ruts, and the mercury vapor survey, the following theories were derived (some I have said before): • Those are not arrastras on the Minas del Oro map. ...
by cuzzinjack
Fri Oct 30, 2015 6:25 pm
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: Blood in the Water
Replies: 2
Views: 3453

Blood in the Water

... and then spike to 2000 to 3000 nanograms (2 to 3 micrograms) in several holes, and drop down again. Note: the USGS paper posted in the Cart Ruts thread recorded 66 nanograms per cubic meter. The geology of the Superstitions does not support a natural mercury deposit as the USGS paper implied, ...
by cuzzinjack
Wed Sep 16, 2015 9:58 pm
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: Ox-Carts
Replies: 7
Views: 7577

Re: Ox-Carts

Some more photos were taken of the cart ruts after the rain had washed them clean. In this photo, if you zoom in, the frame from the First Water Ranch windmill can be seen: http://mollymarieprospect.com/Peralta2posting/ruts1.JPG Here is a close-up ...
by cuzzinjack
Mon Aug 24, 2015 9:33 pm
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: Ox-Carts
Replies: 7
Views: 7577

Re: Ox-Carts

... a week for someone to respond to my post. My primary reason for posting was not to “stir the pot” but to see if anyone had any ideas about the ruts. I believe they are a “big deal”. I went out Saturday and cleaned them out with a whisk broom and used a ladder and a good camera to get some pictures ...
by cuzzinjack
Tue Aug 18, 2015 9:58 pm
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: Ox-Carts
Replies: 7
Views: 7577

Ox-Carts

... dam site(I have posted about the possibility of crushers there before) and came across this: http://mollymarieprospect.com/Peralta2posting/cartruts.JPG I have walked over the same spot a half a dozen times and did not notice it till now. I have been back 3 times to photograph and measure and ...
by Somehiker
Sat Dec 21, 2013 2:17 pm
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: LOST OR.....FOUND?
Replies: 302
Views: 148504

Re: LOST OR.....FOUND?

Paul: Was there any sign of the use of heavy equipment at either location. Ruts or other damage to the surroundings ? Newer growth replacing older....etc. ? That's something hard to hide, even after a number of years has passed, and something the USFS would have ...
by Oroblanco
Tue Apr 12, 2011 10:08 pm
Forum: Non LDM Lost Treasure, Mines, Old West, etc
Topic: Atlantis
Replies: 15
Views: 12362

Re: Atlantis

... have been made in those same areas. One of the strange bits of evidence that (personal opinion) may be proof of Atlantis are the odd "wheel ruts" found on the island of Malta and elsewhere. Some are traced to below the current sea levels, indicating that they were in use when the sea was ...
by lazarus
Sat Apr 05, 2008 6:40 am
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: moral behavior & treasure hunting
Replies: 66
Views: 22233

Critter

... always, always, always feel obligated to protect the wilderness. Those of you who answered yes need a reality check. My footprints leave no deeper ruts than those left by wild horses. If I dig a hole the size of a coffee can, I fill it before I leave. There is never a good reason to destroy the ...
by Somehiker
Sun Aug 13, 2006 4:48 am
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: Black Cross Butte(s)
Replies: 22
Views: 11337

I have shot several photos of the ruts,on three separate occasions,but because of lighting issues none show the ruts very well.I intend to try again on my next visit,this time with an amber lense filter to improve the contrast.I have been ...
by Joe Ribaudo
Sat Aug 12, 2006 11:02 pm
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: Black Cross Butte(s)
Replies: 22
Views: 11337

Hiking

SH, Welcome back. Those ruts have raised a lot of eyebrows over the years. Did you get some nice pictures? Hiking thru all of these areas tends to give us all, I believe, a special feeling. Walking the same trails, seeing exactly the ...
by Somehiker
Sat Aug 12, 2006 9:17 pm
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: Black Cross Butte(s)
Replies: 22
Views: 11337

... something that I recognized from time spent hiking a section of the Sublett cutoff in the Red Sand desert area of Wyoming.Wagon or cart wheel ruts,worn into solid rock always get my attention,and here I was fifteen years later,standing there staring at something that I didn't feel at that ...
by Joe Ribaudo
Mon Apr 24, 2006 11:52 pm
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: Deerings Trail
Replies: 102
Views: 53750

Excited?

... or if he actually got excited at all. There are many trails in the Superstitions that are worn into the bedrock. Some even look like wagon wheel ruts. It seems to me we are dancing around the important facts? and dwelling on the minutia. That is usually done here with a specific purpose in mind. ...
by Knun
Sun Oct 27, 2002 8:10 am
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: The amazing "Forest Service"
Replies: 2
Views: 2470

The amazing "Forest Service"

... bedrock. I expect to see some of the brush dying off in the next few years as the water is channeled through these new streams. On the flats the ruts are smoothing out and the trails will be better than ever since they plowed some of those nasty pumkin busters out of the way. But what really ...
by S.C.
Tue Sep 24, 2002 12:30 pm
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: Ruth Killing
Replies: 123
Views: 70090

New ground

... Uncle Chuck's involvement with Lake Erie Schafer and that group. You certainly are bring a fresh breeze to the forum. We do tend to get stuck into ruts and keep visiting the same ground. I have to say that we are guilty of running the same old known facts into the ground. We all have our secrets. ...