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- Tue Apr 12, 2011 6:00 pm
- Forum: LDM Discussions
- Topic: The Skull
- Replies: 22
- Views: 26121
Re: The Skull
Thomas Glover, In Brownie Holmes manuscript, Story of The Lost Dutchman by George Brownie Holmes Phoenix Arizona 1944, on page 13 he writes: "Somehow I got to hating him as if he was a bitter enemy instead of a nephew. That night we camped at Agua Escondido, we had a terrible argument the worst...
- Tue Apr 12, 2011 4:28 pm
- Forum: LDM Discussions
- Topic: The Gold
- Replies: 85
- Views: 89382
Re: The Gold
Klondike, Thank you for those kind words. And yes, others will believe whatever they want to believe for their own good reason, or will believe whatever they think will keep an argument going the longest. Those people are entitled to their beliefs and trying to convince or change their minds is neit...
- Tue Apr 12, 2011 6:56 am
- Forum: LDM Discussions
- Topic: The Gold
- Replies: 85
- Views: 89382
Re: The Gold
Joe Ribuado, [quote="Joe Ribaudo"]Roy, This conversation is taking an interesting turn. Mr. Johnson seems to be hinting that you and I are in collusion against his good name, which none of us actually know. Just wondering......am I the "bad cop"? This game trail looks very famili...
- Mon Apr 11, 2011 12:01 pm
- Forum: LDM Discussions
- Topic: The Gold
- Replies: 85
- Views: 89382
Re: The Gold
Joe Ribuado, I just posted this in my last post: "The only thing that cannot be argued or batted about endlessly is Mr. Glovers final analysis and he chose not to talk about it. This comes down to either you believe the jewelry ore is mesothermal or its epithermal and if it contains Te compound...
- Mon Apr 11, 2011 10:26 am
- Forum: LDM Discussions
- Topic: The Gold
- Replies: 85
- Views: 89382
Re: The Gold
cubfan64, The discussion here really centers around one thing and one thing only, in my opinion. And that one thing is Mr. Glovers ore test and results. I could post an ore report here and it would be meaningless because it could be called biased, lies, untrue, a forgery, on and on and on. Same thin...
- Mon Apr 11, 2011 8:10 am
- Forum: LDM Discussions
- Topic: The Gold
- Replies: 85
- Views: 89382
Re: The Gold
Klondike, There isn't any point in arguing back and forth about mesothermal, epithermal, native gold as opposed to Te compound gold or any of the other issues involved with the jewelry (matchbox) and camp ore mineral deposits. Oroblanco and Joe have their own beliefs and they are to be respected for...
- Sat Apr 09, 2011 8:38 pm
- Forum: LDM Discussions
- Topic: The Gold
- Replies: 85
- Views: 89382
Re: The Gold
B, Klondike, As you pointed out, gold ore deposits are complex and sometimes go through several evolutions to become what they are when they are finally mined. The ore from the Rand mine in South Africa is indeed confusing. Many people mistakenly believe it is a placer deposit. It WAS placer, at one...
- Sat Apr 09, 2011 4:30 pm
- Forum: LDM Discussions
- Topic: The Gold
- Replies: 85
- Views: 89382
Re: The Gold
Klondike, Ben, Here is the photo of epithermal, high sulfidation, acid sulfate AuAgTe gold telluride compound ore. Several people sent me a PM requesting information on this type ore. All of the ore samples in this photo came from the same Arizona mine, same deposit and as you can see the samples ru...
- Wed Mar 23, 2011 4:42 pm
- Forum: LDM Discussions
- Topic: The Gold
- Replies: 85
- Views: 89382
Re: The Gold
JoeRibaudo, The testing Mr Glover did was as extensive and detailed as any ore analysis could be for the early 1990's. SEM scans the ore sample for all 98 elements which occur in nature naturally and gives you a readout of all the elements present, along with the size and weight ratio to the other e...
- Wed Mar 23, 2011 2:50 pm
- Forum: LDM Discussions
- Topic: The Gold
- Replies: 85
- Views: 89382
Re: The Gold
cubfan64, I don't expect anyone here to believe anything they don't want to and am not trying to convince anyone of anything or change anyones minds or win some kind of argument. I stated a fact and it's everyones right to either believe it or not. It couldn't make less difference to me. oroblanco d...
- Tue Mar 22, 2011 8:50 pm
- Forum: LDM Discussions
- Topic: The Gold
- Replies: 85
- Views: 89382
Re: The Gold
oroblanco, Thats all right, I think we can both agree to disagree and still respect each others views and beliefs. Do you have an opinion on how and why Mr. Glover determined the presence of gold tellurium compound in the Jewelry and Camp ore samples with his testing ? Was he mistaken ? Was his test...
- Tue Mar 22, 2011 7:06 pm
- Forum: LDM Discussions
- Topic: The Gold
- Replies: 85
- Views: 89382
Re: The Gold
oroblanco, Found a better photo taken at the house of the man who owns the Jewelry ore, Matchbox. Scanned it and hope it reproduces fairly well. It's still not the best but can at least see what I'm talking about. The black inclusions in the main body are the tellurium and compounds along with saphr...
- Tue Mar 22, 2011 6:40 pm
- Forum: LDM Discussions
- Topic: The Gold
- Replies: 85
- Views: 89382
Re: The Gold
Oroblanco, great photo of Calaverite in its native unaltered form. Here's that same Calaverite after it's been altered by 3-4-5 different geologic events over several million years. The black is the tellurium and the yellow stuff is gold, the white is quartz. gold and tellurium Te2.jpg This is why y...
- Tue Mar 22, 2011 5:32 pm
- Forum: LDM Discussions
- Topic: The Gold
- Replies: 85
- Views: 89382
Re: The Gold
cubfan64, forgot to answer your question. There were some gold tellurium compounds found in the Kochera ore sample but not the same compound and not anywhere near the same ratio. Kochera ore had many similar elements as Jewelry and Camp ores but also had its own unique element composition which was ...
- Tue Mar 22, 2011 4:19 pm
- Forum: LDM Discussions
- Topic: The Gold
- Replies: 85
- Views: 89382
Re: The Gold
cubfan64, You wrote: "I understand the concept of the tellurium compounds of gold and how they can occur, but Waltz's gold (including the jewelry gold we've seen photos of as the matchbox) seems to be primarily native elemental gold deposits correct? So the tellurium compounds of gold appearing...
- Tue Mar 22, 2011 2:31 pm
- Forum: LDM Discussions
- Topic: The Gold
- Replies: 85
- Views: 89382
Re: The Gold
Klondike, B, If you want to get a good idea of the type of gold deposit the Jewelry ore (Waltz's ore) is, ask the man who has possession of the Jewelry ore Mr. Glover tested. Mr Glover analized the different ore samples for their individual elements, minerals, compounds and ratio of elements and com...
- Thu Mar 17, 2011 5:01 pm
- Forum: Non LDM Lost Treasure, Mines, Old West, etc
- Topic: CALALUS
- Replies: 231
- Views: 336221
Re: CALALUS
JoeRibaudo As I respectfully said to oroblanco and klondike, I will say to you, I am not trying to convince anyone of anything or change anybodys minds about anything. I am perfectly fine with whatever you believe or don't believe. It makes no difference to me either way. I am new here and have only...
- Thu Mar 17, 2011 8:16 am
- Forum: Non LDM Lost Treasure, Mines, Old West, etc
- Topic: CALALUS
- Replies: 231
- Views: 336221
Re: CALALUS
JoeRibaudo, " Mr. Johnson, You seem to be someone who is on the inside of the LDM legend. You also seem to be pretty familiar with the "Camp Ore". Would you say this looks like that ore? " No I'm certainly not anywhere near, "on the inside of the LDM legend". Compared t...
- Wed Mar 16, 2011 4:25 pm
- Forum: Non LDM Lost Treasure, Mines, Old West, etc
- Topic: CALALUS
- Replies: 231
- Views: 336221
Re: CALALUS
Klondike, B, Yes, I'm certainly not trying to convince anyone or change anyones minds about anything. I simply stated a fact in answer to some of your statements and questions. I'm perfectly fine with anyone believing or not believing whatever they want. Mr. Glover's ore analysis which appears in th...
- Wed Mar 16, 2011 8:24 am
- Forum: Non LDM Lost Treasure, Mines, Old West, etc
- Topic: CALALUS
- Replies: 231
- Views: 336221
Re: CALALUS
Oroblanco, No problem in disagreeing with the ore deposit, I'm not trying to change anyones mind about anything, was just passing along a fact specifically to klondike and you answered the conversation and asked me some questions which I answered. I'm fine with anything you believe or don't believe....
- Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:59 pm
- Forum: Non LDM Lost Treasure, Mines, Old West, etc
- Topic: CALALUS
- Replies: 231
- Views: 336221
Re: CALALUS
Oroblanco, A hand held lens to determine the size of grains in quartz is a rough and hardly "scientific" way to judge quartz type for anything other than a quick yes or no field test with about a 60-40 success rate at best, depending on how far apart on the scale the quartz crystals are. Q...
- Tue Mar 15, 2011 5:51 pm
- Forum: Non LDM Lost Treasure, Mines, Old West, etc
- Topic: CALALUS
- Replies: 231
- Views: 336221
Re: CALALUS
klondike, Tom Glover in his book The Golden Dream Part 1, states on page 281, the Jewelry ore (Waltz's ore) and Superstition Mountains ores are Mesothermic. While classifying the Goldfield Arizona ores from the Mammoth, Black Queen, Bulldog and Wasp mines as being Endothermic. This is a very confusi...
- Wed Mar 09, 2011 7:15 pm
- Forum: LDM Discussions
- Topic: howard vandevender
- Replies: 2
- Views: 5164
Re: howard vandevender
MMaynardSR, Is this the man who went missing about 20 years ago while on the way to Apache Junction from California and they found his car somewhere around Kingman ? Did he have a partner here in Apache Junction named Robert Shear that he was coming to see when he disapeared ? I remember the name, H...
- Tue Mar 01, 2011 5:46 pm
- Forum: LDM Discussions
- Topic: Missing Hiker In The Superstitions
- Replies: 27
- Views: 33291
Re: Missing Hiker In The Superstitions
quote: "I know Tom Kollenborn would have the good sense to put together an account that at this time, dealt only with the major points of the deaths and the finding of the body and not dive into gory and sensational details obtained from anyone with a computer." In this weeks AJNews ( www....
- Fri Feb 25, 2011 1:53 pm
- Forum: LDM Discussions
- Topic: Missing Hiker In The Superstitions
- Replies: 27
- Views: 33291
Re: Missing Hiker In The Superstitions
I'm sure novice is a wonderful person and fine researcher but in this I feel he is out of line. If someone really wants to truly research and talk about the condition of the three mens bodys and what they looked like and what the animals did to them they don't need to troll the forums for everyone a...