Lost Dutchman Goldmine

Addendum: I have rechecked Bicknell’s 1895 article, “One of Arizona’s El Dorados” (San Francisco Chronicle, Jan. 13, 1895). I still find no reference to a massacre. However, I did find a very interesting paragraph. It is the seventh paragraph and, reads: “During the past year all the old stories hav...

Zentell, I agree. One of the facets of the legend is the massacre story and Mexican mining culminating in Silverlock and Malm. I am not saying such a thing didn’t happen. It seems fairly certain that something similar likely happened. The massacre story has become a staple of the legend. Yet, there ...

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Mike, Good to see you posting. Would have responded sooner, but life got in the way. I don't know if you caught this earlier post. So thought I'd repost some of it. Concerning Silverlock and Malm: - Did the Mexicans mine between the Gila and Salt Rivers? Again I believe the weight of the evidence is...

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I think I may have already have addressed this issue in a book. But it bears readdressing. Many years ago I came across Sims Ely's book and it interested me. I was in high school, and it only interested me academically. Years later while in California and Carol, my wife was still in England, I ment ...

Don, Thanks for the PM. It is good to see you posting. I appreciate your posts and I appreciate this forum as it tries to avoid what I can only kindly describe as flights of fancy approaching irrationality I encountered over on TNet. We do not all have to agree -- and it would be boring if we did. P...

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I wouldn’t be too hard on Helen. She relied on what she thought was reliable material from a person she and Bob trusted. Material said to come directly from pioneer families. At the time she wrote the book Helen was not the only person who accepted the information and its source. My understanding is...

Gentlemen, IMHO a very good discussion. Thought I ,might throw in my 2 cents worth. - Did Waltz have gold and have it in quantity? I believe that the weight of the evidence is he did. That evidence is Julia’s turn around when she had no collateral. Holmes’ sudden improvement in life stile and the le...

Jim, Well done! A most interesting article. The start of the article reads: "From the Chicago Inter-Ocean". The Chicago Inter-Ocean was a Chicago newspaper. So I would assume that the article was also/originally printed in that newspaper. This would seem to be the earliest account of the Dutchman le...

Jim, Thank you. I was going through – skimming actually – Bick’s 1895 article on Waltz and the mine. I did not find a reference to the massacre story. It puzzled me. As I say I was skimming. When I get some spare time I’ll try and go a little deeper. But, I wonder if the massacre Bick refers to of t...

Gentlemen, This question may well have been addressed before. What is the first/earliest mention of the massacre? And who was the person who first disclosed it? Was it Bicknell? Bark? Or was it the Howlands? Or ... I would dig through my files, but these days other things preclude me researching ver...

I cannot say. That has always been a question. But I have questions. Bark wrote a small document that contained what he considered his best info. It was passed to the Ely family, and I inherited it -- so to speak. I am greatly underwhelmed by its contents. There are things the Spangler famly looked ...

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I regret not being at the Rendezvous this year. But as some know my wife had an accident a few days before the Rendezvous. I needed to be here, with her. Below is the talk I was scheduled to give Saturday night. Thomas Good evening, Before I start I like to make a toast, an old English toast from th...

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Question: what is the origin of legend of the Lost Dutchman Mine and/or the Lost Dutchman Mine?

Thomas

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Tom's Celebration of Life is being held at Lost Dutchman State Park starting at 4PM tomorrow, Saturday?

T

From what I can tell not all the posts to Another Dutch Hunter Passes Over made the transition. I was looking for what I wrote about Len Killen. But I did not find it.

T

There was a thread, Another Dutch Hunter Passes Over. Does anyone know how to access it?

Don, I agree about Barry Storm. I see Barry as the bridge between the 1930s flurry of interest, and 1950s. While several people made permanent camps in the Sups. in the '30s and there was considerable interest in the LDM, none of them really spread the interest past the 1930s and/or outside a small ...

The question is: what was the genesis of the legend? From were was it birthed? Did it come from Julia? Or Julia and Rhinehart? Did Bicknell concoct the legend? Or did Bicknell simply gather information and publish lt? What about the Holmes account? Or did today's legend spring from Bark? Ely? Barry ...

Gentlemen,

Thank you! I had it fixed in my head it came from a book. Didn't even look in my map collection. Opps, I did get a good review of Farish ... stumbled on some items I might not have.

Thomas