Lost Dutchman Goldmine

Didnt know Norse Mythology figured into the Stone maps. So wheres Odin and his Ravens???

>>I can't wait to find my first innaccessable cavern. << I know a swell place that has lots of ICs. Let me know when you are going to attempt to access one...I'd pay to see that ..and have a favorite sitting rock or two already picked out to view the spectacle. Seriously though, just about every mtn...

>>The idea that Joe Deering stepped onto a trail, without preparation, and followed it for seven miles through some pretty "rough" country is ludicrous. That's a fourteen mile round trip. << I agree completely. The question is..were they 7 "regular" miles or "mountain" ...

>>I doubt any of them had the combined knowledge of the area that you have.<< I am hardly an expert on Tortilla Mtn...or any other mtn (well I might be an "expert"...yeah right...on one particular mtn..lol) for that matter. What I do have is some small expertise in a few relatively small a...

>>As this conversation moved along towards Tortillia Mountain<<

Tortilla is, of course, an interesting mtn..... Dam big too....

Wiz

Maybe he meant Bob Evans...you know... the restaurant feller. I recollect that I ate there once in Illinois (or was it Indiana...or maybe Missouri...all them states look alike after a while).

>>I wonder if Peter and Wiz's old friend Evan knows anything about this little mystery? << Errrr...... I am not sure "Evan" knows anything about it. As a matter of fact, I dont know anyone by the name of "Evan". Are you feeling ok Joe? Perhaps you should check with your doctor to...

The Perfil Mapa does not pertain to AZ.

Period.

>>If they all fit, it should be easy to find the LDM.<< Might be easy to find an "area of interest". Finding a covered over hole in the ground in that terrain after 120 years or so is another matter entirely. >>How does Adolph Ruth work his way into that picture? Wouldn't you have to selec...

>>Adolph Ruth? The Two Soldiers? Holmes? Ely/Bark? Jake Jacobs? John Chunning? Anything fit yet? <<

Anything?

Everything fits...............

I do not really care how his last name is spelled. I would still like to take a gander at the map.

I wouldnt mind taking a looksee at Weisers journal...providing there was a journal and there was a Weiser.

Know what I'd really like to take a gander at? Pankins Map (the part he never showed anyone). Now that would be interesting I think.....

Oh boy.....

>>Is there a problem with trying to add that "evidence" into your area of interest? << Actually quite the opposite. I have found a letter supposedly written by one of Weisers descendants that fit certain close-in topographical features that I am interested in so well that it is scary. Eith...

Bill,

That may be true if there was a partner names Wieser. I am still on the fence as to whether he existed or not.

P

>>Does this mean that one is starting from a firm conclusion and then accepting those clues that fit with what one already believes? <<

Exactly.

Bill

I agree of course on the Soldiers/Deering clues. But is that mine and Waltzs mine the same?

Tom

I have some faith in the German clues due to field research and the fact that they support other evidence I have obtained.

P

Bill

I have always found it interesting that folks seemed to be "luckier" finding the mine when entering the mountains from the north.. You may well be correct in your northward orientation theory.

P

>>"I think it would have been long and hard for someone to arrive at the mine site from either direction...so that doesnt matter much IMHO."

That is an assumption that requires some idea of what area the LDM is located in. <<


duh......

Bill

I think it would have been long and hard for someone to arrive at the mine site from either direction...so that doesnt matter much IMHO.

Perhaps the jake gave them instructions from the south side because that was the easiest way for them to access it.

P

Dont know if I am in the same class with some of the folks you mentioned.
I guess I can hold my own with some, but pale in knowledge to others.

I reckon folks like to view a thread where folks know (more or less) what they are talking about...

P

>>It is called "trust". <<

Nope. Its called time and distance. Havent had time to discuss some new findings yet...

I trust these fellers with my secrets...and my life...in more ways than one.


P

>>I have been shown that information "dozens of times" since I started my trips into the mountains. Almost every one of them had the same clues, landmarks and believable theories.......all in different locations. None of them have found gold<< Maybe so. Still doesnt mean anything. 3 people...

>>The problem, as with many of the stories and clues which are not tied to specific landmarks in the Superstitions, is that you can usually find two, and sometimes more than two, places that fit any given set of clues and stories.<< Yes, the above is true, of course. It is easy to fit an area into t...

Joe, To illustrate my point on different interpretations of the same clues. You state: >>I am guessing that your needle in the saddle would be Miner's Needle.<< I do not believe the spitzfelsen IS a needle. I DO believe the felsenspitze IS a needle. The German translation related to that is " T...