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by Potbelly Jim
Fri Feb 16, 2018 12:15 pm
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: Taking a Stand
Replies: 31
Views: 9078

Re: Taking a Stand

Thomas, regarding your comment on the condition of school finances: I took a look at the current status of state school lands. It looks like about 85% of the original State Trust lands are still owned by the state (about 8.5 million acres). They say every acre of that land is under one or more lease...
by Potbelly Jim
Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:13 pm
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: Taking a Stand
Replies: 31
Views: 9078

Re: Taking a Stand

Well I just dug out a purchase agreement between the State and Frank Luke for 88 acres of T1N R3E section 16, it was dated 1917...so it would appear that Frank Luke Jr. probably didn't ever live on section 16. But like you guys have been saying, people were paying REAL money for that land, it was be...
by Potbelly Jim
Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:41 pm
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: Taking a Stand
Replies: 31
Views: 9078

Re: Taking a Stand

I’m probably going to confuse the issue even more. Sorry. I have some county land records that show there was a whole bunch of people living all over Section 16 from just before the time of statehood on…it must have been a terrible mess! Just as an aside, one of those people was Frank Luke…I wonder ...
by Potbelly Jim
Sat Feb 10, 2018 8:10 am
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: Taking a Stand
Replies: 31
Views: 9078

Re: Taking a Stand

Hi Garry, Guilty as charged. :oops: Re: Chuning/Bark thread, Paul directed me over to that discussion you guys had years ago... I would imagine a lot of you guys that have been doing this for awhile get a little tired of seeing the same stuff rehashed when all we have to do is LOOK...I thought I had...
by Potbelly Jim
Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:53 pm
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: Taking a Stand
Replies: 31
Views: 9078

Re: Taking a Stand

Hi Thomas, While I’ve never looked into it myself, when I read what you had found about section 16 (that there was never any ownership records, and it took a LONG time for the land to be transferred to the state) I immediately suspected the Army Corps. Seen issues like that regarding river banks bef...
by Potbelly Jim
Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:37 pm
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: The Legend of the Superstition Mountains
Replies: 42
Views: 12021

Re: The Legend of the Superstition Mountains

Garry, thanks for your response. I’m going to go ahead and see what I can dig up at Phoenix PD. I know some people there that might be able to point me in the right direction. It’s a long-shot, I doubt there’s anything there at all, but I might as well pursue it. Sorry to hear about Eleanor’s passin...
by Potbelly Jim
Wed Jan 31, 2018 8:26 pm
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: The Legend of the Superstition Mountains
Replies: 42
Views: 12021

Re: The Legend of the Superstition Mountains

Hi Roy, thanks to both you and your friend who provided the letters to me via e-mail. As I said in my reply email, I now think I was wrong in my initial assessment that the police in question were only trying to get maps from the Ruth family. Garry, if you happen to log in and read this: It looks li...
by Potbelly Jim
Wed Jan 24, 2018 9:47 pm
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: The Legend of the Superstition Mountains
Replies: 42
Views: 12021

Re: The Legend of the Superstition Mountains

Hi Roy, I know he had a map, but was it a "Ruth" map? Here's what I'm thinking: If Keenan and Purnell had any involvement in Ruth's death, how was it that Tex and Adams found Ruth's notes and at least one map on his body a few months later? Wouldn't Keenan/Purnell have taken those items wh...
by Potbelly Jim
Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:16 pm
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: The Legend of the Superstition Mountains
Replies: 42
Views: 12021

Re: The Legend of the Superstition Mountains

Roy, apparently some hacker was able to figure out a way into the free rootsweb pages, and suck up all the user names and passwords...unfortunately, many people use the same u/n & p/w's for their paid ancestry accounts...so they had to take rootsweb down until they can figure out what happened a...
by Potbelly Jim
Tue Jan 16, 2018 6:56 pm
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: Taking a Stand
Replies: 31
Views: 9078

Re: Taking a Stand

Hi Thomas, Glad you were able to re-locate your records on those sections! In your experience, (or from what you have seen in your research) is the fact that there seems to be a lack of urgency in the transfer of section 16, and the lack of any ownership records, an outlier? i.e. does it generally c...
by Potbelly Jim
Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:14 pm
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: Taking a Stand
Replies: 31
Views: 9078

Re: Taking a Stand

Sorry my friends, this is long.... Joe Wrote: We have been down this road (I have seen it) any number of times. I believe it. I would bet you have probably seen everything...twice. :wink: Joe wrote: Once Dr. Glover has given his own opinion on his own research, it's a done deal for me. He will usual...
by Potbelly Jim
Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:27 am
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: Taking a Stand
Replies: 31
Views: 9078

Re: Taking a Stand

Thomas G. wrote: I would like to tack a little bit onto Larry’s posts re: Waltz’s land —Section 16, T1N, R1E. Larry is absolutely correct. Anyone who claims to have seen any proof that Waltz filed on his land (Section 16) at the land office in Florence (or anywhere else) is incorrect, at best. It wa...
by Potbelly Jim
Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:48 am
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: The Legend of the Superstition Mountains
Replies: 42
Views: 12021

Re: The Legend of the Superstition Mountains

Hermano Oro, I agree, I hope this thread will continue...I think your point about the Phoenix PD actually DOES make a world of difference...it's the same thing I was thinking back when we were hashing this around. These guys had no jurisdiction. On top of that, the letter is out of character. No POL...
by Potbelly Jim
Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:36 am
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: LDM Found with Latin Heart
Replies: 2
Views: 174

Re: LDM Found with Latin Heart

Hi Gary, I doubt anyone is going to "get pissy", there are more than a few long-time LDM hunters that don't believe the LDM is in the Supes. It's clear from your post that you're having fun with your search, which is what it's all about, right? I sincerely wish you luck! You have also foun...
by Potbelly Jim
Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:39 am
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: The Legend of the Superstition Mountains
Replies: 42
Views: 12021

Re: The Legend of the Superstition Mountains

Hi Garry, realize this is an OLD thread, but I didn't reply to you (3 years ago!! 8O ), sorry. Somehow life got in the way and I haven't been doing much LDM research but have gotten back into it as of late... Anyway, thanks for the offer of help...also, wanted to let you know that I didn't have anyt...
by Potbelly Jim
Fri May 15, 2015 1:03 am
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: The Legend of the Superstition Mountains
Replies: 42
Views: 12021

Re: The Legend of the Superstition Mountains

Hi Oro, Thanks for the link, good stuff. I have to admit I'm curious about the wordiness and willingness of a police detective to share details of what may have been an ongoing investigation with anyone, much less the family of the victim. I'm very surprised he included any rumors at all, info about...
by Potbelly Jim
Thu May 14, 2015 12:45 am
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: The Legend of the Superstition Mountains
Replies: 42
Views: 12021

Re: The Legend of the Superstition Mountains

Skulls are often carried away by vultures and dropped onto rocks to break them apart or at least create holes so the vulture can get to what is left inside. One missing person northwest of Four Peaks was found with out his skull and the skull was found years later about 20 miles away resting in the...
by Potbelly Jim
Tue May 12, 2015 5:48 am
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: The Legend of the Superstition Mountains
Replies: 42
Views: 12021

Re: The Legend of the Superstition Mountains

Hi Joe,

I have to log off now but just wanted to say thanks for the tip, I look forward to mulling it over. I'm pretty much stuck as of now and your help is appreciated. Best regards, Jim
by Potbelly Jim
Tue May 12, 2015 5:43 am
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: The Legend of the Superstition Mountains
Replies: 42
Views: 12021

Re: The Legend of the Superstition Mountains

Hi Don, I hear ya. I really don't want to believe that Ruth was premeditatively killed, because it will tarnish something I believe in. But what I want to believe and the evidence don't match. I can see how it's perceived that Ruth's death has been used to further the financial interests of the area...
by Potbelly Jim
Tue May 12, 2015 3:42 am
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: Crooked Mountain Question
Replies: 7
Views: 4362

Re: Crooked Mountain Question

Hi Joe and Deducer, I'm glad that Ron and Jesse Feldman published what they could of the Cox notes, as it gives me a window back in time to people I remember that were a lot like him. Globe, Miami and Superior, even parts of Phx were different towns then, everyone pretty much knew each other and peo...
by Potbelly Jim
Sun May 10, 2015 9:35 pm
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: The Legend of the Superstition Mountains
Replies: 42
Views: 12021

Re: The Legend of the Superstition Mountains

Hi Don, You very well may be right. It would be easy for a guy in his condition to die out there. You are also right, I think, that no factual conclusion at all can be reached at this point. It couldn't at the time, either, because the M.E. never got a look at his skull. It got sent to DC right afte...
by Potbelly Jim
Fri May 08, 2015 11:29 pm
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: The Legend of the Superstition Mountains
Replies: 42
Views: 12021

Re: The Legend of the Superstition Mountains

Hi Joe, I also believe he was killed above West Boulder Canyon close to Boulder Basin. That's a location that he could easily reach on foot and with the limited water he carried with him. The story that we have all been fed was to lead subsequent searchers away from what he was looking for I'm stray...
by Potbelly Jim
Fri May 08, 2015 4:22 am
Forum: LDM Discussions
Topic: Crooked Mountain Question
Replies: 7
Views: 4362

Re: Crooked Mountain Question

Mike, Just as an aside, I checked Jesse Feldman's book "Jacob's Trail" since he uses the Cox notes quite a bit. It seems to line up. Jesse didn't want to "name names" so he left blanks in the Cox account of Ruth's murder (p. 296), but if you compare it to Crooked Mountain, the na...
by Potbelly Jim
Wed May 06, 2015 10:33 pm
Forum: Non LDM Lost Treasure, Mines, Old West, etc
Topic: On the trail of Jack Swilling
Replies: 19
Views: 7236

Re: On the trail of Jack Swilling

I don't know what came first, the chicken or the egg. Period documents indicate Novinger was prospecting in the 4 Peaks area, was wounded pretty badly, taken to Ft McDowell, then lived out his days in Phx. Ely's version has Novinger heading from CA to Rich Hill based on accounts from an Indian capti...
by Potbelly Jim
Sat May 02, 2015 10:14 pm
Forum: Non LDM Lost Treasure, Mines, Old West, etc
Topic: On the trail of Jack Swilling
Replies: 19
Views: 7236

Re: On the trail of Jack Swilling

Hi Roy, I guess I should backtrack a bit in the interest of explaining things for people new to the LDM and just starting to explore the forum. I expect you are completely familiar with the connection between the Lost Adams and the LDM, but many people reading this may not be, so bear with me. I wou...