Lost Dutchman Goldmine

Thomas wrote: From what I can tell not all the posts to Another Dutch Hunter Passes Over made the transition. I was looking for what I wrote about Len Killen. But I did not find it. T Thomas, if you happen to see this, I sent you an e-mail with what you wrote about your friend Len. Hope it's what yo...

Hello Gents, Very saddened to hear this news...Joe, you said it best, God speed to a legend...a true gentleman...they don't make AZ cowmen, writers, teachers and just good people like him anymore...Thank you Tom for your service to our Country, to the community of AJ and AZ, and for setting the exam...

Hi Thomas, I would have to say that Waltz himself birthed the legend. He told something to Julia and/or Rhiney that was enough for them to start a search. What they were actually looking for, I don't know. Do we take them at their word, to Bark and others, that they were searching for a mine? Up to ...

Thomas,

It's an excerpt from "The Map of Prehistoric Irrigation Canals" By Dr. Omar A. Turney.

Dated 1929.

Here's the marginal information:

Hey Garry, Thanks...I'm glad Thomas brought Blair's papers up, as the AHS in Tucson probably would have given me a blank stare and a shrug...I made a mistake in assuming his stuff would be there...so it would have been a wasted trip... The info I had on the Blair collection appears to be from the ea...

And one more time...just found out Blair's stuff is indeed up in the valley...BTW, I'm looking for something very specific in those records, so I don't plan on a deep dive, but if anyone wants me to get copies of something...PM or e-mail me with what you're looking for.

Thomas,

Does the above "ring a bell"? If the records are in Tempe vice Tucson, I had better start calling around to see where they are...I'll be up in the valley also this fall, just need to pin down where they're being held and who to talk to when I get there...take care, Jim

Thomas, I believe the Danube does originate in the Black Forest, however I think it's irrelevant...I think the story related by Loveless may originate from the fact that there was a well-known fruit grower established on the original 160 acres of Waltz's "Section 16" not long after the original 160 ...

Last part of Julia Thomas' divorce:

Julia Thomas Divorce:

Quick comment...Jack, best copy of that article I've seen online, thank you! Jim

cuzzinjack wrote: If you have another resource it would be greatly appreciated if you posted it. I tried Maricopa County on-line and no luck there. Jack, Scared up the old Gold King claim paperwork...that's not it...it was 1/2 mile from Sup. Mtn, and it looks like you are about 3 miles or so N of it...

Ahhh...thanks Garry...I didn't make the connection between Bessie Barkley Lovelace and Bessie B. LOVELESS....for awhile there, when I was trying to figure out who she was, I thought it may have been Oren Arnold having a little fun...anyway I think you just answered my "million questions about this l...

Joe wrote:

Guys,

Actually Robert Blair was the first to associant Jacob Waltz with the Black Forest. "Tales of the Superstitions" Pages 29,30. What you will find is "Schwarzwold", German for Black Forest.

Other than that, nice work.

Take care,

Joe

It does indeed...nice catch, thanks Joe!

I'm not sure about this, but I'm thinking the Black Forest thing may go back a bit farther than Helen C.... I'm going to try and attach a letter to the editor from 1938...I have a million questions about this lady...I've never heard of her...but she mentions where Waltz is from, and even the Danube....

Sorry, as usual, did not follow through on my thoughts....bottom line: I agree that Helen C. was the one that originally wrote about the Black Forest connection (and it sounds like she was just using it as a descriptive tool in her writing, to describe where Oberschwandorf was physically located)......

Oberschwandorf was always in Wurttemberg, as far as I can tell, and while technically can be described as being "in" or "on the edge of the Black Forest", H.C. does leave this out of the "Bible". Something interesting: Garry wrote: From the “Curse of the Dutchman’s Gold“ (1990, Pages 35 & 36). “Duri...

Hi Thomas, Well, if there's any truth to the Black Forest story, it would be significant. That would mean Ol' Jake was probably from Baden, not Wurttemberg... While, possible, I doubt it...even though Wurttemberg appears to be misspelled on both the Natchez and CA citizenship docs, if they are authe...

Thanks Jack for that diagram...didn't know what you were talking about until you posted it... I remember hearing about a concrete shaft, but I think it was in a different place...have you done any research to see who had mining claims out there? I'm thinking the claims in 1887/1888 time-frame were a...

Jack,

Outstanding work! I remember reading about the ox-cart tracks you posted some time ago, looks like your project is coming along nicely. Sometimes I lose track of the bigger picture as this info is posted across multiple threads...will check out your website to brush up...take care, Jim

Hi Thomas, Thomas wrote: Adolph Ruth knew no more about the Lost Dutchman Mine, and probably less, than the readers of the forum do. Amen. For the rest of you, that is...he may have known more than me :lol: Since my last posts on this subject, thanks to Garry, I've learned the Ruth timeline I posted...

Ooops...meant to also point out that they would have taken the left fork at Bull Pass...if you take the right hand one, it goes up Bluff Springs Mtn...that's the wrong trail and won't lead to La Barge...anyway, the left fork is the way they went, as they were headed to La Barge and not Bluff Springs...

Garry, I knew what you meant...no worries... Keep in mind that Black Mesa trail has no relation to Black Top Mesa...Garden Valley lies between Hackberry and Black Mesa (not Black Top Mesa, which is a different mountain). So to get to Marsh Valley from Garden Valley, the shorter and easier way is to ...

Garry, I meant Mott, not Newcomer...sorry...Mott's article on 12 DEC (the first one submitted after they got back to PHX, titled "A Hound In Disgrace") described their finding of the skull off to the right of the trail, after Music started bellowing...the problem being, in Greg D's map and photo's, ...

Don, I don't know much at all about the Cravey story...that being said, I would like to hear more if anyone here knows anything about it...as to why his death didn't attract as much attention as Ruth's...be careful what your wish for :P ...all we need is a new generation of "Barry Storm's" showing u...