Lost Dutchman Goldmine

Hi Thomas, Hope all is well with you and yours. Being much more interested in the Bradshaws than I ever was in the Supes, it has always seemed to me that the Dutchman legend describes the events along Turkey Creek (and lower down in Black Canyon) in the early years of 1863/1864. Literally everything...

Jack, Good work on digging all that stuff up so quickly. I've done a little digging when the Jesuits come up in forum discussions, but have only scratched the surface. The instance you relate of Kino being involved in punishment may be misinterpreted. I believe Deducer posted a letter from Kino on T...

Hi Jack, Yes, the Jesuits would have had a separate transportation system if they were smuggling gold. Such a system is another thing I'm not convinced of, but I have done no research in that area so I'm pretty ignorant of what was or wasn't going on. There are people here who ARE well versed in the...

Jack, I for one certainly find it intriguing, it's obvious you've given this a great deal of thought. Not that I'm convinced that the Chinese were in the Supes, as it would have been far easier for the Jesuits to trade gold to the Chinese in the Philippines, and it would make sense that they would l...

Hi Jack, I don't need to tell you this, as you are well aware...but the areas of high mineral potential, in the 1993 map above, appears to be incomplete...they are lacking data, still, which is not surprising given how hard it is for them to gather the data. Just something for everyone to keep in mi...

Don, a Happy New Year to you also! Jake gets 30 bucks and puts it in the tiller... He then takes 5 out, leaving 25 in the tiller... He then gives 3 bucks back to the smelly prospectors, one of which unfortunately has no towel... So Sr. Peralta has 25 bucks in the tiller...Jake has 2 in his pocket......

Joe, Yup, she was better...I had read some of her other stuff prior to reading "The Bible"...and I would still buy the book again today, if I didn't already have it...lots of good stuff in there still... There are a couple of Arizonans I look up to as kind of "fathers" of the state...Barry Goldwater...

Don, maybe you're right that some of us want to give Helen Corbin a pass because of friendships, etc...I never knew them but boy howdy did I know OF them...at least Mr. Corbin...I looked up to him and still do...and yes I feel quite a bit of empathy for Helen, what she was going through trying to ge...

Don, While Thomas and Joe are undoubtedly correct about not blaming Helen Corbin for some inaccuracies in her book…I will admit I responded to it in much the same way you did… I’m ashamed to say I assumed some of the stories in Helen’s book were done intentionally. What did it for me was the rare Pa...

Don, Re: multiple massacre grounds, I didn't know you were talking about a thread from years ago...fair 'nuff... The Julia selling tickets story...I first saw that in Robert Allen's book...he attributed the story to Frank Alkire...Joe R., if I recall correctly, researched that one into the ground......

Thomas, A well thought-out post if I ever saw one...I think every one of your points is well founded. A very MINOR point, which may or may not be of any use: Bark's letter about Gid Roberts was written about 40 years after the events described...and, he made no specific reference of time-frame to Ro...

Don, I agree with you that folks will go out of their way to find evidence for something they want to believe (or disprove :) )… Julia’s change in wealth, at least the one I’m referring to, did not come after Waltz’s death. It happened before his death…specifically between the dates of 28 March 1890...

Don, Nothing to be sorry about...didn't really believe your post was bait, thus the wink & grin emojis... You may be right that there's a bunch of possible explanations for Julia and Holmes having unexplained wealth around the time of Waltz's death...all I am trying to do is make sense of the eviden...

Don, hope all is well with you and it's good to hear from you. I will take that bait :wink: Just because we’re blowing holes in all the old campfire tales does not mean there was no gold mine. In fact, the veracity of these tales have nothing to do with the existence of any gold mine. To me, the two...

Garry, Very interesting...I think you're right that the Phila Times/Chicago Inter-ocean article contains too many similarities to Weedin's article for it to be a coincidence. Some of the similarities are word-for-word... I doubt Weedin would add a "Weaver" to the LDM story either...I may be wrong, b...

Thomas, Perhaps it was Bick...Personally I don't think Bick would have included a "Weaver" in an article he wrote about the LDM...I think this particular author was confusing a fictionalized Reavis with Weaver, a mistake I can't bring myself to believe Bick would make...but you DO have a good eye fo...

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Thomas, It would appear, to me at least, that the majority of Bick’s information came from Julia. In his 3 articles from 1894-1895, his story seems to change every time. But, my question is, how would Julia have known about a Peralta massacre? As far as I know, the story has never been attributed to...

Hi Thomas, I was concerned to read in your previous post that your wife has had an accident. I hope it’s not too serious, but if it is, then I hope that she makes a full and speedy recovery, and is soon up and around like nothing ever happened! Regarding the massacre grounds, take a look at page 255...

Thomas wrote: From what I can tell not all the posts to Another Dutch Hunter Passes Over made the transition. I was looking for what I wrote about Len Killen. But I did not find it. T Thomas, if you happen to see this, I sent you an e-mail with what you wrote about your friend Len. Hope it's what yo...

Hello Gents, Very saddened to hear this news...Joe, you said it best, God speed to a legend...a true gentleman...they don't make AZ cowmen, writers, teachers and just good people like him anymore...Thank you Tom for your service to our Country, to the community of AJ and AZ, and for setting the exam...

Hi Thomas, I would have to say that Waltz himself birthed the legend. He told something to Julia and/or Rhiney that was enough for them to start a search. What they were actually looking for, I don't know. Do we take them at their word, to Bark and others, that they were searching for a mine? Up to ...

Thomas,

It's an excerpt from "The Map of Prehistoric Irrigation Canals" By Dr. Omar A. Turney.

Dated 1929.

Here's the marginal information:

Hey Garry, Thanks...I'm glad Thomas brought Blair's papers up, as the AHS in Tucson probably would have given me a blank stare and a shrug...I made a mistake in assuming his stuff would be there...so it would have been a wasted trip... The info I had on the Blair collection appears to be from the ea...

And one more time...just found out Blair's stuff is indeed up in the valley...BTW, I'm looking for something very specific in those records, so I don't plan on a deep dive, but if anyone wants me to get copies of something...PM or e-mail me with what you're looking for.